Fan-based map progression thread

[moonburn]

quintus sertorious for someone with a roman name you haven´t read the classics all that well i assume or else you would have read seneca and understand that presenting a faction and then due to the lack of historicity having it removed would break people´s expectations and as seneca states "rage comes from broken expectations" so the last thing the team should do should be to break people´s expectations

i mean seriously when the game finally comes out most people will eventually return and even those that don´t imediatly will end up showing up even if it´s a year or 2 after the game was released, it´s not like the eb team gains cash from adds from people entering the site so they don´t really need the extra attention (or distraction) if they made cash then we could expect stuff like what you said wich is marketing and masses management and the team would make like 1 preview per week and after 2 or 3 years "sorry the fallowing factions won´t appear on the game"

[QuintusSertorius]

quintus sertorious for someone with a roman name you haven´t read the classics all that well i assume or else you would have read seneca and understand that presenting a faction and then due to the lack of historicity having it removed would break people´s expectations and as seneca states "rage comes from broken expectations" so the last thing the team should do should be to break people´s expectations

Dude, punctuation is your friend.

As I said quite clearly above, what I was talking about was confirming a faction once it had been researched enough to be agreed as a faction. Not simply revealing a name then later having to withdraw it because later research showed it unworthy. It takes a lot less effort to say "yes, faction X is now in" than to prepare a preview (which can happen later).

i mean seriously when the game finally comes out most people will eventually return and even those that don´t imediatly will end up showing up even if it´s a year or 2 after the game was released, it´s not like the eb team gains cash from adds from people entering the site so they don´t really need the extra attention (or distraction) if they made cash then we could expect stuff like what you said wich is marketing and masses management and the team would make like 1 preview per week and after 2 or 3 years "sorry the fallowing factions won´t appear on the game"

As before, someone saying "yes, faction X is in, expect a preview in a few weeks/months" is hardly a great amount of effort or distraction. Hardly the scenario you suggest if the announcement only comes once its been confirmed.

In any case it's moot, the team like their approach to expectation management.

[M to the A]

There's nothing more fun than to randomly log in and find out that the Belgae have been included as a faction in some way through a huge new preview ^^

[bobbin]

I'm afraid you mistaken, we haven't announced any new Belgae faction.

[Brennus]

I'm afraid you mistaken, we haven't announced any new Belgae faction.

Go on, I dare ya!

[M to the A]

I'm afraid you mistaken, we haven't announced any new Belgae faction yet.

Fixed that for ya.

[Blxz]

I'm more likely to agree with Quintus. but Foot made the teams position quite clear.

Suprise is fun but its too distantly spaced. Logging in is hard work in the intervening months.

[stratigos vasilios]

i think you have the colors wrong in your map
the faction symbols ought to represent the colors the faction does have so looking at that symbols the bosporan kindom will be red and pergamon blue

You are definately correct here but I just chose what would be bright and easy to see and separate. No real logic behind anything, if it's really annoying everyone I will change it. I have to add in Mamla'ha biMassylim too.

[Tellos Athenaios]

Fixed that for ya.

You're right of course. It's just that we're having a little problem in reconstructing a feasible government system there...

After the smugness, I could not resist.

[olly]

Just thinking that now the gallic factions have been confirmed through the generals preview maybe they should go on as well. I know it may not be safe to assume they will have the same territory though after what happened to the dear departed Casse.

[Blxz]

Not sure that having the boii on the map as silver and the poles (or whatever) as white looks very clear. I almost didn't see them at first. Would the OP consider a change in the colour scheme?

[stratigos vasilios]

Change to colour scheme? No. Heck no. Never in a million years... ;-)

They are the colours the EB team had in their official previews so I just left them as they were, but I can see how it isn't too clear. I'll just put in a brighter colour, at this stage I wasn't planning on choosing the correct faction campaign map colours (I'll leave that for the EB team) but colours that are bright and easy to see. Any requests? Also if anyone feels like they are able to do a much better map please do so, I will surrender entirely and I'm sure Ludens will help me get the new map into the OP.

[Blxz]

Something a little less white. The map has the Carthies, boii and poles as whitish colours. AS will be silver. At the very least making either the boii or poles a different shade of something would be nice. My eyes don't work so good (bad english/grammar is deliberate) with all these similar colours next to each other. Especially on the map.

On second thoughts, is it possible to fade slightly the background map. That would make the edges of the factions stand out slightly more. I think that would fix everything.

[bobbin]

The Lugiones faction colour is a dark blue, you can see it on the faction symbol.

[Moros]

Also the numidians are still missing..

[Brennus]

Also the numidians are still missing..

We don't know their borders though.

[Blxz]

Stratigos vasilios, the eastern indian parts of that map are looking too empty. Time for a mauyaran satraphy to be put in there =)

[stratigos vasilios]

Adjusted map. Added factions from EB1, although faction borders will be different to EB1... the map just looks prettier now ;-)

[Blxz]

Very pretty.

[B-Wing]

After admiring that map, does anyone else think that the Veneti of Gaul (located in modern day Brittany) would be a good addition? I'm speaking strictly from a gameplay perspective, since I know that historically they didn't do much more than frustrate Caesar for a short time.

[Arjos]

If it was all up to gameplay, then Meroe and Nabatu will have to get in at any cost...
Now after Taksashila, I'll say, with semitic culture and eastern one (being Meroe an Egyptian dynasty), why not?

[Blxz]

Bumpity bump bump.

I like this map very much and would like to keep it near the top for new people who might be browsing the forum to have a quick look. Its very useful to, at a glance, see the rough locations of the major factions; especially for those of us who are not history or geography orientated. Plus, I just like maps.

[Moros]

[Arjos]

Was looking at the possible locations map and imo it's a safe bet none of those will have a faction XD

Arabia and India had their fill...

Scandinavia and the northeastern Baltic will partially become Eremos and afaik there weren't large confederations, more deserving than other possible factions...
Same goes for Hibernia and Caledonia...

Belgae too close to the Rhine, in the 3rd century BC, the power centers would be around the Marne and Somme...

Veneti in Cisalpina didn't do much other than raid enemies, only when backed by greater powers...
Histria was ran over by Keltoi in the previous decades, before the EB start date and was settled by various tribes; while the Liburni lived in small communities, very little pastoral economy and raided the Adriatic, in league with other people...
Centers in the area were near the Shkoder, Dardania further inland, Singidunum and short-lived Tylis...

Armorica, that I know, was hardly united in the 3rd century, not even by the time of Caesar...
Aquitania, similar case, very few sources...

Pyrenees were settled by many small communities, each independent (Moros' map shows that at least the east is empty). Celtiberians would make a better candidate...

Mauretania I don't know in which state it was in the 3rd century, earlier there were phoenician commercial hubs. Maybe the Masaesyli held more power...

[Blxz]

Wow, Moros is really helpful. i will never believe all the horrible things people were saying about him now. =)

As for the orange shaded map in the OP, I don't think another arabian faction will be included in the eastern part. They did an entire arabian preview, I'd say that would likely cover that region. Also, weren't they only going to release 7 factions for the first release? By my counting we have our 7 announced. This means (if they haven't changed policy in the intervening years) that we are more likely to see a release than a new faction next. Although that doesn't put a timeline on it. Could still be a long long way off.

[Brennus]

Belgae too close to the Rhine, in the 3rd century BC, the power centers would be around the Marne and Somme...

How do you mean?

[Ca Putt]

@Arjos: Eastern spain, Belgium and Croatia are the most popular regions for speculation however. Which really does bond well with the map if you ask me. These Specualtions however are based on the assumtion, that all faction slots will be filled which is not quite likely afterall.

Also, weren't they only going to release 7 factions for the first release?

Interesting, could you link me to the orgin of this information. I've heard a lot of hints that suggest there will be at least one free faction slot but I have yet to see a statement like that black on white.

[Arjos]

Eastern spain, Belgium and Croatia

Those areas aren't exactly little :P
I was speaking precisely of the shaded provinces: the Celtiberi lived further inland (Guadalajara, Soria more or less); Croatia was pretty fractured between pannonian Keltoi, Histri and Liburni (to mention some), I was simply saying that organized supra-tribal entities were further south or east...

How do you mean?

Weren't the eastern tribes like Eburones, Nervi etc; part of a later migration possibly in the aftermath of the Cimbri or so?
And my point was focused on the tribes/confederacies that held most power in the 3rd century...

[Brennus]

Weren't the eastern tribes like Eburones, Nervi etc; part of a later migration possibly in the aftermath of the Cimbri or so?
And my point was focused on the tribes/confederacies that held most power in the 3rd century...

Correct, if I remember correct Caesar states that several of the Eastern Belgic tribes arrived with the Cimbri and Teutones. However archaeological evidence suggests that the "Belgian" Belgae were already in place by c.300BC.