Fox News

[Subotan]

What does the Org think of Keith Olbermann?

[Shibumi]

I can not believe people I would deem not of below average intelligence are actually discussing Fox News.

[Fragony]

I can not believe people I would deem not of below average intelligence are actually discussing Fox News.

Sweden was it right

[Shibumi]

Sweden was it right

Yes?

[Fragony]

Yes?

Censorship and pc-bull capitol of Europe, calling it press is a disgrace, should be called ministry of truth instead.

[Shibumi]

Censorship and pc-bull capitol of Europe, calling it press is a disgrace, should be called ministry of truth instead.

Yepp.

However, you don't find the intelligentsia discussing it. Generally bringing up a particular show from state-TV is met by a frown and a quick change of topic to something more interesting.

[Fragony]

Yepp.

However, you don't find the intelligentsia discussing it. Generally bringing up a particular show from state-TV is met by a frown and a quick change of topic to something more interesting.

Have you seen the movie 'Goodbye Lenin'? A loving son who pretends to his mother that the wall never fell, he's afraid she can't cope with it so he creates an alternative reality around her where no wall ever fell. Sweden is more like the stepmum who won't give up her illusion of a perfect family, what will the neighbours say? It's creepy. For these people who call bull on Swedish media there isn't really an alternative

[Lemur]

What does the Org think of Keith Olbermann?

I think of him as little as possible. Frankly, I can't take cable news. Too much chest-thumping and shouting. The only one I've been able to watch without flinching was the lesbian whose name escapes me, Rachel something. But even that was a one-time thing. CNN is dull to the point of dreariness. Fox is a radical (and successful) experiement in propoganda. MSNBC ... I don't really know what they are. They seem to be trying to replicate Fox's formula, but without the same discipline.

That said, I don't think we've had a creature like Fox since the days of Hearst.

[TinCow]

What does the Org think of Keith Olbermann?

A liberal version of Glenn Beck.

Joe is a bull conservative. That show makes me sick because it hides behind a veil of everyone is represented when really there not. I've regular contributors on the show make comments that are just insulting and Joe doesn't even disagree. A farce.

He may not, but Mika does constantly. I find they have a very good balance, with each not afraid to disagree with the other, but doing so in a generally respectful and constructive manner.

[Subotan]

Huh, that's interesting. My political compass is skewed to the left as a European, so I personally would consider a comparison of Keith Olbermann to Glenn Beck to be a bit bizzare and unfair. Still, Glenn Beck seems to rely almost entirely on emotion in his programmes, whilst Olblermann at least uses facts to back up what he says. True, he does target the GOP a lot, but then he also criticises the Democrats, as opposed to Beck who blames the entirety of America's problems on the Democratic party and George Soros. I agree that Olbermann has a large ego, but idk if it's just American-sized or if it's actually super-massive. Some of his criticisms fall a bit flat and stretched, but his good ones are pretty good. I rarely like the people he interviews though.

All in all, he seems a lot like the Guardian on TV, which is probably why I like him, as we don't have that kind of news over here in the UK (thank god)

[TinCow]

Huh, that's interesting. My political compass is skewed to the left as a European, so I personally would consider a comparison of Keith Olbermann to Glenn Beck to be a bit bizzare and unfair. Still, Glenn Beck seems to rely almost entirely on emotion in his programmes, whilst Olblermann at least uses facts to back up what he says. True, he does target the GOP a lot, but then he also criticises the Democrats, as opposed to Beck who blames the entirety of America's problems on the Democratic party and George Soros. I agree that Olbermann has a large ego, but idk if it's just American-sized or if it's actually super-massive. Some of his criticisms fall a bit flat and stretched, but his good ones are pretty good. I rarely like the people he interviews though.

All in all, he seems a lot like the Guardian on TV, which is probably why I like him, as we don't have that kind of news over here in the UK (thank god)

First of all, Olberman is not a newsman, he's a straight pundit. He's got a certain political agenda, and he's pushing it in his show. That's already a big no-no in my book. When op/ed is presented as news, the public suffers, regardless of whether the network presenting it is conservative or liberal. Second, Olberman, like Beck, is very big on descriptors and name-calling. Stuff like that distracts from the facts and plays on emotions. It's pretty much exactly what what 'fake' Steven Colbert likes: feelings, not facts. For me Olberman is Michael Moore with a nightly TV spot.

Rachel Maddow is similar, but not quite as bad. She is also op/ed, pushes a specific agenda disguised as news, and also uses manipulative language to rile up her viewers, rather than inform them. She's nowhere near the level of Beck or Olberman though, and is willing to be a bit more objective on occassion. I see her as a liberal version of Bill O'Reilly.

[Xiahou]

First of all, Olberman is not a newsman, he's a straight pundit. He's got a certain political agenda, and he's pushing it in his show. That's already a big no-no in my book. When op/ed is presented as news, the public suffers, regardless of whether the network presenting it is conservative or liberal. Second, Olberman, like Beck, is very big on descriptors and name-calling. Stuff like that distracts from the facts and plays on emotions. It's pretty much exactly what what 'fake' Steven Colbert likes: feelings, not facts. For me Olberman is Michael Moore with a nightly TV spot.

Rachel Maddow is similar, but not quite as bad. She is also op/ed, pushes a specific agenda disguised as news, and also uses manipulative language to rile up her viewers, rather than inform them. She's nowhere near the level of Beck or Olberman though, and is willing to be a bit more objective on occassion. I see her as a liberal version of Bill O'Reilly.

Beck, Olberman, Maddow & O'Reilly.... all nauseating.

I enjoy Special Report with Bret Baier immensely. All I see are commercials for BMWs and Lexi... although I DVR through most of them.

I loved that show when Brit Hume hosted it. Once Bret took over, I felt that its standards began slipping. Regardless, it was the only show on Fox that I had any use for.(when I still had cable)

[a completely inoffensive name]

Olbermann and Maddow have been painted as caricatures far from what they really are. If you are comparing Olbermann to be a liberal Glenn Beck, than you really have no idea what you are talking about. There are clear lines between saying what you think is the truth from some known facts and saying what you think is the truth from your own perspective. There are clear lines between skewing, lying and propaganda. If you cannot distinguish them and accurately judge the words of a former sports newscaster who just wants a view to be heard, and a former shock jock born again christian who insinuates that everyone who disagrees is the worst kind of evil, than you do not have have an accurate grasp on reality.

[a completely inoffensive name]

I guess it doesn't even matter now since Olbermann's show just had its last episode.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

All in all, he seems a lot like the Guardian on TV, which is probably why I like him, as we don't have that kind of news over here in the UK (thank god)

The guardian is pretty bad though in my experience...but I'm very intolerant.

Olbermann and Maddow have been painted as caricatures far from what they really are. If you are comparing Olbermann to be a liberal Glenn Beck, than you really have no idea what you are talking about. There are clear lines between saying what you think is the truth from some known facts and saying what you think is the truth from your own perspective. There are clear lines between skewing, lying and propaganda. If you cannot distinguish them and accurately judge the words of a former sports newscaster who just wants a view to be heard, and a former shock jock born again christian who insinuates that everyone who disagrees is the worst kind of evil, than you do not have have an accurate grasp on reality.

I have seen some pretty awful stuff from Olbermann. Wouldn't describe him as someone who "just wants a view to be heard", that's really not accurate.

I used to enjoy that approach to politics but I find that even stuff like the daily show is barely watchable.

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Is how it should be. Conan making jokes about McCaine's favorite 4th of july memory being "yelling at red coats to get off my lawn", or dedicated discussion. Entertainment is light, serious politics is pleasurable in a much different way.