Lack of new people is killing the backroom and the entire forum

[Andres]

Yes, that's how it works.



The problem is that the board considers them the same then. Right now we make use of two easy to use, built in board tools and each user can decide for himself what to see. That user choice will not be possible when we use only that one avatar.

This default system means no work at all either, there was some work and that's done a week ago.

It's also simple, easy to use and allows even more freedom to the membership.

But it's confusing and very different from what people are used to on most other fora.

With the profile pic and avatar visible, the threads look ugly. Also, if I chose to see profile pics only, I see a whole lot of default profile pics, which means that everybody looks the same. It's confusing. If I chose to see avatars only, those who use profile pic also all look the same.

I fail to see why not using what all other fora use is better

Having two sorts of avatars is confusing.

[pevergreen]

Having two sorts of avatars is confusing.

Although I don't agree on some avatar points, this is true.

There needs to be a single avatar type that everyone uses, and everyone sees.

[Subotan]

Having two sorts of avatars is confusing.

Andres is correct. It feels like a messy compromise intended to please everyone, but leaves no-one happy

[Tokugawa]

With the profile pic and avatar visible, the threads look ugly.

It's possible to turn one or both off, that's an individual choice.

Also, if I chose to see profile pics only, I see a whole lot of default profile pics, which means that everybody looks the same. It's confusing.

Agree, but that's easy to fix.

If I chose to see avatars only, those who use profile pic also all look the same.

Not true, excisting accounts are already different. People get a default by creating a new account.

I fail to see why not using what all other fora use is better

Not everything offered by forum software is good.

Having two sorts of avatars is confusing.

Users ask totally different things.

Edit: sorry mixed accounts, this is TosaInu

[Andres]

Having the admin using two sorts of accounts is confusing

People get a default by creating a new account.

And that's annoying. It's annoying to have to go to your settings and switch this or that on or off to view the forum how you want. You undervalue simplicity. One avatar. Size is preset. Chose between a) predefined b) upload custom. Easy, simple, forum looks good, regardless of your settings.

Default should be no avatar instead of everybody who doesn't chose an avatar having the same pic/avatar. Every new member looking the same is confusing.

Users ask totally different things.

We're not talking about the desiderata of the occasional oldtimer, we're talking about making this forum more accessible for new members by making it user-friendly. Simple and "just like any other forum you're used to" is being user friendly.

[TosaInu]

Have different browsers open to test things and have to do that now with a useraccount: just avatars is not the only to do here.

It's set automatically when creating an account, so people don't have to do anything for it.

I don't underestimate simplicity, but there are other needs too.

The simplicity displayed there isn't available:

Chose between a) predefined b) upload custom. Easy, simple, forum looks good, regardless of your settings.

It's impossible to keep those two seperate and that's exactly what we want (now).

It's not occasional imho, and I'm not going to brush excisting users expectations aside.


We'll see in a couple of weeks from now who of the active users is using what.

[Andres]

Have different browsers open to test things and have to do that now with a useraccount: just avatars is not the only to do here.

Sorry, it wasn't my intention to annoy you (it was mean as poking fun at you).

Anyway, to visualise what I mean:

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They all look the same.