[Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [Concluded]

[TinCow]

To Agents Bobwingo, Cuba Libre, and Fluffy Bunny:

Congratulations on surviving this long, and for wisely keeping your codes to yourselves! Earlier in the game I said I was abandoning this system because the Phazon had been, in short, "pwned." While that was true at the time, the game situation is more favorable to us now. As a result, I am posting this statement to encourage you to keep your options open as we move into the end game. We do not expect you all to simply jump up and down with joy and instantly side with us, but it is important for you to know that the Phazon are very much interested in a joint victory with the remaining IDFH players. We request only that you consider whether you are also open to such an arrangement.

I will not be so presumptuous as to issue orders to any of you. Much has changed since we were last in contact, and we do not particularly feel the need to request townie resources anymore (though we will gladly welcome them if you wish to offer). If you feel up to it, please do get in touch with us and let us know your current status. I will once again be watching your posts closely for the code markers. I am aware that many others likely will be doing so as well, so if you do want to contact me, give special emphasis to making the post blend in well. Brevity is a virtue here, as it is easy for me to simply request further information from you if I do not understand the information you are trying to convey. A time delay on the response may help as well. We are not in any hurry, so feel free to indicate your interest in a joint victory at any point over the next few days.

[landlubber]

I'm gonna have to vote: Skooma. I know who Nictel is. I know who pever claimed. I know who DE and Csargo are. If you disregard the replacements, it's only him and Beefy left, and I suspects Skooma more than Beefy at this point.

[DELETE_THIS]

Well to be honest I was really expecting dcmort to be some sort of mafia, if I was right I would have voted beefy now.

I'm gonna have to vote: Skooma. I know who Nictel is. I know who pever claimed. I know who DE and Csargo are. If you disregard the replacements, it's only him and Beefy left, and I suspects Skooma more than Beefy at this point.

I see. Then I know who you are too. My doubts would be between the two of them as well. Vote Skooma

[Greyblades]

I'm gonna have to vote: Skooma. I know who Nictel is. I know who pever claimed. I know who DE and Csargo are. If you disregard the replacements, it's only him and Beefy left, and I suspects Skooma more than Beefy at this point.

Is it such a good idea to ignore the replacements? I dont think the "hyuk hyuk" guy started kiling before some of us were replaced.

[Romanic]

Is it such a good idea to ignore the replacements? I dont think the "hyuk hyuk" guy started kiling before some of us were replaced.

The mafia attacks so far:

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N1
Bowsers (2) : Samus and Peach.
Phazons (2) : Dark Samus and Pikachu.

N2
Bowsers (2) : Samus and Peach.
Phazons (2) : Dark Samus and Pikachu.

N3
Bowsers (2) : Samus and Peach.
Phazons (1) : Pikachu.

N4
Bowsers (1) : Doopliss (it's a good assumption that Samus recruited Ironside/Deleter on that night, instead of performing a night attack)
Phazons (1) : Pikachu.

N5
Bowsers (2) : Samus and Deleter.
Phazons (0) : (* not sure how to explain why Pikachu was inactive)

N6
Bowsers (2) : Samus and Deleter.
Phazons (1) : Pikachu.

N7
Bowsers (1) : Doopliss.
Phazons (1) : Pikachu.

N8
Bowsers (1) : Doopliss.
Phazons (1) : Pikachu.

N9
Bowsers (1) : Doopliss.
Phazons (1) : Pikachu.

I think either Doopliss didn't have a killing ability before N4, or the mafia are restricted to a maximum of two kills per night. Which is it doesn't matter, the facts remains:

On N1, N2 and N3, the Bowsers attacks were made by Samus and Peach. On N3 Beskar/Peach is killed, and on N4 Doopliss starts killing.

Doopliss being unable to kill before N4 is a better explanation than Doopliss being an inactive player who's been replaced since.

Besides, I've looked at the four replacement players (acin, auto, Grey, Sasaki) and the timing isn't right. They all came in after N4, except you, Greyblades

[Diamondeye]

How about around Pikachu's inactivity? That's Night 5, from what I can see there?

[Romanic]

Also, IIRC we don't know where Beskar got his scan result about TinCow. I think it likely came from Doopliss, who must have been scanning during the N1-N3 period.

It explains how Beskar got his scan, and it also explains why Doopliss tried to kill on N4 : He was the only one who could kill on that night, Samus being busy recruiting Deleter.

And it explains why he didn't kill on N5 and N6: Samus and Deleter were better choices, and Doopliss would resume his scanning duties.

Lastly, Doopliss resumed killing on N7 because Ironside was lynched on D7.

The story fits. I don't think Doopliss was inactive at all.

[Frozen In Ice]

I find those voting Landlubber suspicious. Lynch Diamondeye or Beefy.

Also with all those roles in the writeup, I think we could easily eliminate a few suspects if everyone role claimed, but that's just what I think.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'm gonna have to vote: Skooma. I know who Nictel is. I know who pever claimed. I know who DE and Csargo are. If you disregard the replacements, it's only him and Beefy left, and I suspects Skooma more than Beefy at this point.

What's with this "knowing who people are stuff"? Are you claiming x-ray-visor?

Seon was very against a skooma lynch when he was alive.

Vote:Diamondeye

[Reenk Roink]

One of the best things about this game is how nonchalant Csar is being through this whole situation.

[pevergreen]

4 am and I just read the entire inishmore game, over 2 hours. 21 pages x 80 posts. Bleh!

Vote: Deye

[Romanic]

I don't see why a Town player would not be voting against Csargo or Diamondeye at this point. Both have been evasive when accused.

Also, knowing someone's role isn't reason to trust him, as there are cover roles around. For example, Csargo being U-Mos doesn't mean anything. Only a few roles can be considered likely Town (Admiral Dane, Captain Falcon...) and U-Mos isn't one of them.

I'm gonna have to vote: Skooma. I know who Nictel is. I know who pever claimed. I know who DE and Csargo are. If you disregard the replacements, it's only him and Beefy left, and I suspects Skooma more than Beefy at this point.

Clearly you haven't been following this game or you are a mafia placing a poor vote. It has been said many times that Skooma was not a good lynch. Vote someone else please. The same goes for Nictel.

[Diamondeye]

Greyblades is right, though - the replacement players are almost half of the remaining players as far as I recall...

There was one night where pikachu did not attack. Did anyone get replaced just around then?

HYUK-ghost is harder to locate since he hasn't shown up in nearly as many writeups, but I think we might get a clue about Pikachu's identity, should he be among the replacements, using that method.
My vote stays where it is now, though. Nictel is a good suspect imho.

[DELETE_THIS]

Speaking of replacements and bad lynches, how about Unvote; Vote: ACIN)

[Csargo]

I don't see why a Town player would not be voting against Csargo or Diamondeye at this point. Both have been evasive when accused.

You've accused me of being a bad townie. I'm not sure what else you accused me of though. Not sure how I've been evasive.

[classical_hero]

To Agents Bobwingo, Cuba Libre, and Fluffy Bunny:

Congratulations on surviving this long, and for wisely keeping your codes to yourselves! Earlier in the game I said I was abandoning this system because the Phazon had been, in short, "pwned." While that was true at the time, the game situation is more favorable to us now. As a result, I am posting this statement to encourage you to keep your options open as we move into the end game. We do not expect you all to simply jump up and down with joy and instantly side with us, but it is important for you to know that the Phazon are very much interested in a joint victory with the remaining IDFH players. We request only that you consider whether you are also open to such an arrangement.

I will not be so presumptuous as to issue orders to any of you. Much has changed since we were last in contact, and we do not particularly feel the need to request townie resources anymore (though we will gladly welcome them if you wish to offer). If you feel up to it, please do get in touch with us and let us know your current status. I will once again be watching your posts closely for the code markers. I am aware that many others likely will be doing so as well, so if you do want to contact me, give special emphasis to making the post blend in well. Brevity is a virtue here, as it is easy for me to simply request further information from you if I do not understand the information you are trying to convey. A time delay on the response may help as well. We are not in any hurry, so feel free to indicate your interest in a joint victory at any point over the next few days.

I don't see why people are not calling Tincow out on this, since it is clear that any IDFH players are not interested in a victory with the town, so you should be eliminating any of them. So all those Neutral and GF people should be working together to remove them, lest you lose to them.

[Romanic]

Don't listen to TinCow and classical_hero's propaganda. IDFH and GF wins together if they kill all the anti-town threats. There's absotely no reason why IDFH would work with the Phazon mafia over their townie friends.

For the record, I stopped reading TinCow's post at the first line: I doubt he has any contact with IDFH, this is manufactured propaganda.

[pevergreen]

Even so, its worth keeping an eye out for odd posts.

I probably would be one of those agents if I was IDFH.

[thefluffyone93]

[Greyblades]

Don't listen to TinCow and classical_hero's propaganda. IDFH and GF wins together if they kill all the anti-town threats. There's absotely no reason why IDFH would work with the Phazon mafia over their townie friends.

I dont realy see why they would, I dont think there is more than one mafia left that would be able to win with them.

[classical_hero]

I know for a fact that if we had chosen to do so we could have gone for a secondary victory of winning with the GF Survivalists and my cover role stated that my primary goal was to defeat all mafia, and my secondary goal was to join with the Samus mafia to defeat Dark Samus and the IDFH, so it is worth considering that you could lose to the Phazon team team and their IDFH team mates ans I would call them right now.

[Diamondeye]

Not that I haven't said in-thread, but here goes...

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

GF Demolition Trooper

You are a Demolition Trooper serving on board the GFS Olympus.

Your unit was attacked in their quarters and you are one of the few that escaped and survived! You know that what you are dealing with here are some very dangerous hunters. But while you may seem like a grunt, you can hold your own in a firefight- you’ve had to take down Space Pirates on many occasions. You know that the carnage won’t stop until every enemy is gone.

Your alignment is Hero. (Town)

Victory Conditions:
Primary: Defeat all anti-town forces.
Secondary: None

Defensive Abilities:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Hazard Shield: Defend against electricity-based attacks.

Shadow Shield: Defend against darkness-based attacks.

Offensive Abilities:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

None

Prime material to waste a lynch on. I've been hit with Scan, Thermal and Combat Visors and everything fits because this is how things are. I'm not scum, and I'm not hiding anything.

Now, can we find a more progressive lynch?!

[Greyblades]

Ok then, unvote

@classical_hero: If I remember correctly both sides are in the same condition; one mafia left each. If anything full town victory is the easiest win as it would just require two correct kills.

[Romanic]

I know for a fact that if we had chosen to do so we could have gone for a secondary victory of winning with the GF Survivalists and my cover role stated that my primary goal was to defeat all mafia, and my secondary goal was to join with the Samus mafia to defeat Dark Samus and the IDFH, so it is worth considering that you could lose to the Phazon team team and their IDFH team mates ans I would call them right now.

Nobody is contesting this. It's been said before that:

IDFH can win with the Phazons, if only these 2 factions are alive.
GF can win with the Bowsers, if only these 2 factions are alive.

But IDFH and GF's primary objective is to get rid of all the threats (winning with the Heroes). There's no reason to have a feud between IDFH and GF, even more so when this feud is being fueled by the mafia.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Ok, disregarding all the problems with that claim (i.e. "GF demolition trooper...HERO faction" etc)...cover roles don't mean anything. My god.

[autolycus]

Diamondeye, I wasn't going to vote for you, but I think there's only one GF Hero left, and I'd expect that to be Admiral Dane. Ergo, vote:Diamondeye.