[Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [Concluded]

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Ok, disregarding all the problems with that claim (i.e. "GF demolition trooper...HERO faction" etc)...cover roles don't mean anything. My god.

[autolycus]

Diamondeye, I wasn't going to vote for you, but I think there's only one GF Hero left, and I'd expect that to be Admiral Dane. Ergo, vote:Diamondeye.

[Greyblades]

And why would you think that?

[Romanic]

Greyblades scanned Diamondeye as having only one power on N8 (Shadow Shield)

I'm afraid i cant let you do that dave... uh anyway 2 nights ago I was given an ability called combat visor

last night I used it on diamond eye and all I found was this

I dont know if this completely absolves him, I doubt that this ability is fool proof, during my first incarnation I was given an ability that blocks investigtions, but if he was able to block it I think I would have not been able to get shadow shield out of him. As such I dont think he's mafia or at least not one of the people killing last night.

@Diamondeye: Your claim now shows 2 abilities, how do you explain it? Did you have Hazard Shield on N8 when Greyblades scanned you?


@everyone: Can anyone explain how shields work? Can you have more than once shield active at night? Are they passive or active abilities?

[Greyblades]

@Diamondeye: Your claim now shows 2 abilities, how do you explain it? Did you have Hazard Shield on N8 when Greyblades scanned you?

He could have gotten another ability last night.

@everyone: Can anyone explain how shields work? Can you have more than once shield active at night? Are they passive or active abilities?

As far as I know you can only have one on at a time and I'm not sure if they are turned on untill specifically turned off or switched.

[autolycus]

Well, just trying to guess based on what I've seen of the game so far.

47 players

3 Bowser at start: Peach, disguised as IDFH, Samus, disguised as GF. Dooblis disguised as ??

3 Phazon at start. Strife, disguised as IDFH, Dark Samus, disguised as IDFH., Pikachu, disguised as ???

Space Pirate disguised as IDFH

Omega Weapon, disguised as GF

Dedede: Disguised as IDFH

That's 9, which leaves 38 innocents of various stripes.

It seems reasonable to assume that there is symmetry between GF and IDFH and also with regards to the heroes' background.

3 GF-based Heroes are dead, 3 IDFH-based Heroes are dead.

Captain Falcon and Admiral Dane are almost certainly Heroes.

Now, we could have one more from each side as Heroes, leaving 28 to be 14 Survivalists of each type.

Or, the Captain and the Admiral could be the only remaining Heroes, leaving 30 to be 15 and 15.

11 players left.
Captain
Admiral
Pikachu
Dooplis
Vivian
Goombario
Kanden
GF Researcher
Demo Trooper?
U-mos


If all of those are real,
2 unknown characters

12 GF Survivalists dead, plus the Deleter.
9 IDFH Survivalists Dead.
Assuming symmetry, which I think is reasonable, regardless of if there are two more heroes, we have one too many GF characters. One of GF Researcher, Demo Trooper, and U-mos is a fake. Researcher used super missile. It's either Demo Trooper or U-mos. Who's our U-mos?

[Romanic]

You can add U-Mos (Csargo's true role, or cover role) and Kanden, who survived an attack by Doopliss On Night 7.

[autolycus]

You know what, since my case is based on symmetry, it seems to me that Dooplis needs to be disguised as IDFH. Atpg and others have said DE isn't pikachu. Therefore, I'm going to have to unvote, vote: csargo.

P.S. On the subject of role claims, I'm goombario, and I'm an IDFH survivalist.

[Romanic]

You also forgot Gorea. The symmetry is broken (oops).

[TinCow]

12 GF Survivalists dead, plus the Deleter.
9 IDFH Survivalists Dead.

Yes, the IDFH do seem to have a significant advantage, don't they?

[Romanic]

Yes, the IDFH do seem to have a significant advantage, don't they?

****PROPAGANDA ALERT****

IDFH cannot win with the mafia if one Hero/GF/Bowser is still alive, and we have evidence that at least 2 heroes are alive. The IDFH numerical advantage means nothing here.

[autolycus]

Romanic, I remembered Gorea his team was Omega Weapon. He's listed. There was an odd number of players, and Dedede was neutral. Now for cover-role parity, Pikachu should also be disguised as GF. So if someone else is still out there who's GF that isn't on the list, they should speak up now, because then we'd know we have two fakes, almost certainly both of U-mos and Demo Trooper.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

You know what, since my case is based on symmetry, it seems to me that Dooplis needs to be disguised as IDFH. Atpg and others have said DE isn't pikachu. Therefore, I'm going to have to unvote, vote: csargo.

P.S. On the subject of role claims, I'm goombario, and I'm an IDFH survivalist.

Aren't the phazon disgusied is idfh, and the boweser disguised as GF?

[Romanic]

Romanic, I remembered Gorea his team was Omega Weapon. He's listed. There was an odd number of players, and Dedede was neutral. Now for cover-role parity, Pikachu should also be disguised as GF. So if someone else is still out there who's GF that isn't on the list, they should speak up now, because then we'd know we have two fakes, almost certainly both of U-mos and Demo Trooper.

My bad, Gorea = Omega Weapon.

I'll double check your numbers quickly and will tell you what I think.

[autolycus]

Well, Shadow Peach was disguised as Jill Valentine, so no, Bowser's folks aren't always disguised as GF.

[autolycus]

I need to listen to myself. I just said that for symmetry, both Pikachu and Dooplis need to be GF. I think that's right, and if only one is, that should be Dooplis. So why did I stop voting DE?
Unvote, Vote: DE

[TinCow]

IDFH cannot win with the mafia if one Hero/GF/Bowser is still alive, and we have evidence that at least 2 heroes are alive. The IDFH numerical advantage means nothing here.

Absolutely true. Like I said, we don't expect people to join in with us now. There are several days left to go. We only ask our IDFH friends to consider their options as the rest of you lot are butchered like swine.

[Choxorn]

Also, DE's a GF Hero, which there shouldn't be any more of, ignoring Dane. His role is an obvious fake. He should be lynched, regardless of whether he's Doopliss or Pikachu.

[Romanic]

By my count, the dead bodies are:

12 GF (+ one, if we count Deleter who was converted)
10 IDFH (not 9)
6 Heroes
3 Bowsers (with one recruited GF)
2 Phazons
1 Omega Weapon
1 Space Pirate
1 Neutral
---
36 total

Cover roles count:
5 IDFH (Dedede, Ridley, Peach, Dark Samus, Cloud Strife)
2 GF (Gorea, Samus)

Conclusions:
* If the IDFH and GF teams started balanced, IDFH has 3 more remaining members alive.
* Cover roles can't have started balanced, unless there's a remaining anti-Town with a GF cover role.

With these conclusions, it's very likely that most, if not all, remaining IDFH roles are legit. Conversely, GF roles are our best suspects. Not sure where the Hero claims fit in this (Diamondeye), but I thought we should at least see one.

Interesting perspective autolycus, good thinking.

Known roles
U-Mos (Csargo) should be GF.
GF Demo Trooper (DE) claimed to be Hero (should be GF, like Sasaki pointed out).
GF Researcher (Greyblades) is GF.
Goombario (autolycus) is IDFH.
Kanden (???) should be GF.
Vivian (???) should be IDFH.
Captain Falcon (???) should be Hero or IDFH.
Admiral Dane (???) should be Hero or IDFH.

U-Mos and Kanden are good suspects, specially since they both survived a night attack. DE's role is also suspect, but I wouldn't mind a major switch to lynch Csargo.

[Romanic]

Another thought,

So far all the killers were seen killing as their true role

CH killed as Samus, not as Ghor.
Ironside killed as The Deleter, not James Pierce.
etc...

Last night we've seen the GF Researcher perform a kill, so I would think the role is legit, not a cover role.

Thus, Greyblades should be Townie.

Make sense?

[pevergreen]

Yeah, that does, but your last line in the post before has confused me.

You listed U-Mos and Kanden as non mafia roles, yet you say they are good suspects?

[Romanic]

Yeah, that does, but your last line in the post before has confused me.

You listed U-Mos and Kanden as non mafia roles, yet you say they are good suspects?

I changed it for "Known Roles". These roles can be cover roles, so yes, some may be suspects.

[pevergreen]

I changed it for "Known Roles". These roles can be cover roles, so yes, some may be suspects.

Ah, that makes sense.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ok, disregarding all the problems with that claim (i.e. "GF demolition trooper...HERO faction" etc)...cover roles don't mean anything. My god.

Almost. But I mainly agree with the rest.

[Csargo]

You know what, since my case is based on symmetry, it seems to me that Dooplis needs to be disguised as IDFH. Atpg and others have said DE isn't pikachu. Therefore, I'm going to have to unvote, vote: csargo.

P.S. On the subject of role claims, I'm goombario, and I'm an IDFH survivalist.

Hi, my name is U-Mos and I'm a Hero

Vote:DE sleep time

[Beefy187]

Add in Siegfried from soul caliber

[a completely inoffensive name]

I'm trying to follow what everyone is saying but I still don't understand even the basic premise of what the lore is of the game. Vote: DE

Tbh, I really should have passed on taking this role as a replacement, but Fluffy's amazing posts more than make up for it.

[DELETE_THIS]

I'm trying to follow what everyone is saying but I still don't understand even the basic premise of what the lore is of the game. Vote: DE

Tbh, I really should have passed on taking this role as a replacement, but Fluffy's amazing posts more than make up for it.

Cheap excuse alert? Moreover you don't need lore to send in kill orders me thinks. Who are you?

[Frozen In Ice]

So both Csargo and DE claim to be GF based hero's. I find it more likely U-Mos to be a hero than a GF Demo Trooper. How come all the other GF Hero's have a specific name but DE's is just a general one? Alternatively, go by the "mafia look similar to their cover role theory", whoever Goombario is has a shot at being Dooplis.

So lynch DE, but if he turns up non-Dooplis, look for Goombario.

[landlubber]

Alright, I can agree with that. Unvote, vote: Diamondeye