[Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [Concluded]

[Chaotix]

So both Csargo and DE claim to be GF based hero's. I find it more likely U-Mos to be a hero than a GF Demo Trooper. How come all the other GF Hero's have a specific name but DE's is just a general one? Alternatively, go by the "mafia look similar to their cover role theory", whoever Goombario is has a shot at being Dooplis.

So lynch DE, but if he turns up non-Dooplis, look for Goombario.

Essentially, there are a few GF roles with generic job-description names because there were not enough named Metroid characters to go around. That doesn't make them any different from the named GF roles.

[autolycus]

Nice work resummarizing Sasaki, except that Admiral Dane is Hero or GF, not Hero or IDFH. That's what seals me on one of U-Mos and Demo-Trooper being scum.
Frozen, if you want to look for Goombario, you won't have to look far, I've already claimed him.

[Diamondeye]

Ok, disregarding all the problems with that claim (i.e. "GF demolition trooper...HERO faction" etc)...cover roles don't mean anything. My god.

Honestly, what power do I have to answer this? Hey, I questioned it as well when I got my role. It says "GF", but I'm not a GF Survivalist, and I'm not convertible.

Greyblades scanned Diamondeye as having only one power on N8 (Shadow Shield)

@Diamondeye: Your claim now shows 2 abilities, how do you explain it? Did you have Hazard Shield on N8 when Greyblades scanned you?

No... Obviously not, or his scan would have shown. I don't have fancy abilities to foil scanners. I verified GB's claim without mentioning the Energy Tank because that'd ruin its purpose of absorbing an attack.
I only just learned Hazard Shield last night.

You also forgot Gorea. The symmetry is broken (oops).

Why do you assume rigid symmetry? That's a very bad assumption to work under in my opinion.
It could easily be slightly tilted.

I need to listen to myself. I just said that for symmetry, both Pikachu and Dooplis need to be GF. I think that's right, and if only one is, that should be Dooplis. So why did I stop voting DE?

Do we have a "facepalm" smiley?
Even though my role says "GF", I'm not a GF Survivalist. I'm a hero, and my generic and misleading role name might just be because Chaotix ran out of proper characters to use.

Also, DE's a GF Hero, which there shouldn't be any more of, ignoring Dane. His role is an obvious fake. He should be lynched, regardless of whether he's Doopliss or Pikachu.

Why shouldn't there be any more? This frustrates me as it is obviously a wrong assumption you are working under. You're seeing what you want to see; My role is written by the game host. If there are serious inconsistencies, that's Chaotix' fault and it'd be great to mess up what looked like a fine town game now. How many Role PMs have you got to hold it up against?

Also, it's already been established that I can't be Pikachu. You're just throwing mud now - scummy to shovel accusations onto others like that.

P.S. On the subject of role claims, I'm goombario, and I'm an IDFH survivalist.

Hey guys, I found Goombario. Didn't you say it was the cover for Doopliss? I think that means Autolycus should be hanged - we have like 7 hours, that should be enough.
unvote; vote: Autolycus

Better than lynching someone I know is innocent, at least.

[Frozen In Ice]

Ok in that case I'm changing my mind again. DE still might be Dooplis but it's looking not as likely as I once thought.
EDIT: This is in response to Autolycus and Chaotix

[Reenk Roink]

Diamondeye, you do realize your GF, instead of GF survivalist role seems extremely odd. Especially when you factor in what dead townies know upon death.

Now then, could anyone corroborate DE's story (then we will know who the other Mafia are )?

[Frozen In Ice]

What do dead townies know upon death?

[Diamondeye]

Multi-quoting has broken my reply. In reply to RR:

Diamondeye, you do realize your GF, instead of GF survivalist role seems extremely odd. Especially when you factor in what dead townies know upon death.


I figure that upon death, it's revealed that the "survival" goal is not worth anything, which would make the two things exactly the same.
Yes, I know it's odd, and I don't like it, but I don't decide what roles I get.
Besides, it could have something to do with whether I'm recruitable or not. As far as I know, heroes are unrecruitable.

[DELETE_THIS]

I went back to read the updates: Everyone's name has a color. EXCEPT for cover roles: Unvote; Vote: Diamondeye
unfortunately there aren't that many cover roles in the updates. Otherwise it would have been a good target for a vigilante hit. I like to remind everyone that ACIN is being too silent, so maybe him?

Correct that, that statement is wrong.
Unvote; Vote: ACIN

[Diamondeye]

When does this phase end?

[Romanic]

About 4 hours and 30 mins left.

[Diamondeye]

Nictel, I think you need to post a new post since you edited a vote...

On the topic of votes. Is it possible that we could try and hang a scum today? I'm going to go with unvote; vote:ACIN

[Reenk Roink]

Nictel, I think you need to post a new post since you edited a vote...

On the topic of votes. Is it possible that we could try and hang a scum today? I'm going to go with unvote; vote:ACIN

Squirming to save yourself doesn't mean much by itself, but by saying you want to lynch scum and then going for ACIN who for a variety of reasons isn't the best choice for that reason, just makes you look like you want to save yourself and go with a possible counterwagon, which again, isn't that bad in itself, but coupled together, seems quite insincere. Plus the Nictel vote thing. It's OK, the pain will be over soon.

[Diamondeye]

Squirming to save yourself doesn't mean much by itself, but by saying you want to lynch scum and then going for ACIN who for a variety of reasons isn't the best choice for that reason, just makes you look like you want to save yourself and go with a possible counterwagon, which again, isn't that bad in itself, but coupled together, seems quite insincere. Plus the Nictel vote thing. It's OK, the pain will be over soon.

I'd say a potential scum is better than someone I know to be innocent.
Are you saying you're certain there's no scum among the replacements?

[Romanic]

You're cooked Diamondeye.

You voted Nictel without a good reason. Then you tried to move our attention away by agreeing that replacements are suspect. Then it's landlubber, because "he's the best alternative". Next you vote for autolycus because Frozen mentioned the possibility that Goombario is mafia. And now, it's acin, but I can't figure why.

If you were Town, you'd be looking for the best candidate, making a good case on him and lay down your vote, but instead you are shuffling your vote around, hoping to start something that will save yourself.

[Diamondeye]

You're cooked Diamondeye.

You voted Nictel without a good reason. Then you tried to move our attention away by agreeing that replacements are suspect. Then it's landlubber, because "he's the best alternative". Next you vote for autolycus because Frozen mentioned the possibility that Goombario is mafia. And now, it's acin, but I can't figure why.

If you were Town, you'd be looking for the best candidate, making a good case on him and lay down your vote, but instead you are shuffling your vote around, hoping to start something that will save yourself.

Well yes I'm not "in the know". I feel like I'm the only one actually doing any talking, the rest of the town (and the mafia) taking cheap shots at me, mostly.

I don't know who the scum are. I hardly have a clue - I'm thinking Greyblades and Beefy, possibly Skooma too, are innocent. The rest; No idea.

Yes, yes I am trying to save myself at the moment. We're on the clock with seven townies against two scum. Any hit that isn't on me had a chance to be a mafia. I'm grasping at straws because I'm hoping to win this game and at the moment I'm drowned in votes backed by poor or zero reasoning. I've been active throughout the game and scanned by three different scans, and still people think I'm scum because of what exactly? I helped lynch every scum there's been lynched; I started the Ironside wagon, I was on the TinCow wagon from the start to the end, not fearing the overdrive. I don't know what more I need to do to prove my innocence. Apparently, being a replacement player and popping by to say "DE is scum" is better.

[Frozen In Ice]

DE starting the Ironside wagon has been the one thing nagging me the whole time about the possibility of him being Dooplis. When DE made that vote it was in no way guaranteed that Ironside was going to become the major lynch, target though it was likely. Ironside did say that the Bowser team was using him as cannon fodder, so there is a chance DE bused him to try to gain townie cred.

[Reenk Roink]

Are you saying you're certain there's no scum among the replacements?

Not at all, but... what Romanic said is better than what I can say. What you are doing is certainly cause for suspicion, and unlike fluffy, my gut isn't saying you're innocent either.

[Choxorn]

I went back to read the updates: Everyone's name has a color. EXCEPT for cover roles: Unvote; Vote: Diamondeye
unfortunately there aren't that many cover roles in the updates. Otherwise it would have been a good target for a vigilante hit. I like to remind everyone that ACIN is being too silent, so maybe him?

Correct that, that statement is wrong.
Unvote; Vote: ACIN

You know that since you edited this, it doesn't count, right?

[DELETE_THIS]

You know that since you edited this, it doesn't count, right?

Well it doesn't really matter but maybe it helps for tomorrow: Unvote: Vote: ACIN

[Romanic]

DE starting the Ironside wagon has been the one thing nagging me the whole time about the possibility of him being Dooplis. When DE made that vote it was in no way guaranteed that Ironside was going to become the major lynch, target though it was likely. Ironside did say that the Bowser team was using him as cannon fodder, so there is a chance DE bused him to try to gain townie cred.

Let's look back at Diamondeye's vote on Ironside.

It's Day 7, the tally is

3 Skooma (Glenn, Beefy, classical_hero)
1 Csargo (Csargo) how scummy!
1 classical_hero (Seon)

And DE makes this vote:

I think Vote:Ironside would make an excellent lynch. We're kinda running out of time, and as Pizza says, that list could use some red.

No evidence, no reasoning. It appears to be a shot in the dark. It could be an attempt to distance himself from Ironside. I mean, surely Ironside isn't going to be lynched with Skooma having 3 votes, this is a golden opportunity....

Then Yaro places the next vote,

Vote: Ironside the corrupted marine appeared one day after I revealed him as a GF survivor in thread, so I think he may be it. I really hope god emperor told someone who he investigated tonight.

It's now Skooma 3, Ironside 2....

So DE makes the next post,

Another good candidate in my opinion would be JohnHughThom. Winston agrees.

Now JHT is also a good suspect

Then a case was made about Beskar protecting Ironside and the bandwagon grew fast, and Ironside was eventually lynched.

Anyway, this is to show that DE's vote on Ironside wasn't the deciding factor in the Ironside lynch. His vote, and the reason he gave, were weak and could have been a distancing tactic. His reaction to the 2nd vote, by Yaro, is very noteworthy.

[Skooma Addict]

A question aimed at Diamondeye...

Were you a part of Seon's network?

[Diamondeye]

... No? I never removed my vote from Ironside because I thought he was mafia. I felt, in the spirit of recent teachings, that we could look at several suspects at once. Yet I kept my vote where it counted.

You are just making bull up now, Romanic. I'd fos you if you weren't a dead townie.

[Diamondeye]

A question aimed at Diamondeye...

Were you a part of Seon's network?

I talked to Seon, and claimed my first ability to him.
He let me know sometimes when I voted in a way I shouldn't (against you, per example, at one point).
I would say I was in contact with him... Part of his network, probably not. I had no abilities to offer. But he had scanned me and trusted me somewhat until the CI-Paranoia took over.

[Romanic]

Diamondeye, we'll know about you soon enough.

What was your next post after those I quoted?

I hardly think Chaotix would give away the biggest scumbag still alive like that. I think Ironside is grasping at straws, but he's at least wriggling. Skooma's just trying to join the counterwagon.

At this point, I think the best idea would be to lynch Skooma - or Ironside - and send a scanner in on Classical. It would be neat if Seon scanned Classical Hero while Captain Falcon protected Seon. That way we're pretty sure we'll have a definite scan result on him and not just some "oh by the way THIS GUY IS GUILTY - now I'll go back to lurking" accusations.

It doesn't feel like you thought Ironside was the best pick. I mean, this post shows that you are trying to reverse the trend on Ironside. Surely you will not call this BS.

Also interesting is the part where you suggest to scan classical_hero (Samus) when it's obvious that the godfather was protected against scanning abilities, or at least most of them.

[Diamondeye]

I did not get the impression that Samus was scan-immune.

And that post was in all honesty; I still don't believe Chaotix would give away Samus by letting it shine through in the writeup that she was the target of God Emperor when she killed him. I'd rather lose to a well-played mafia than win because the host gave away the Godfather in a writeup... But I might be undervaluing victory here...?

[Romanic]

I admire your perseverance, DE, but the tally is 7-2, it's a done deal.

With 75 minutes to go, there's still time to repent and admit your sins.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Seriously Diamondeye? That was just stupid. "Hurr Derr, im gonna be killed. ughhhhhh, HEY EVERYONE THAT GUY THAT LIKES TO HELP THE MAFIA IS STILL AROUND, EVERYONE GET HIM EVEN THOUGH HE JUST JOINED TWO DAYS AGO, HE HAS TO BE THE GUY WHO HAS BEEN CAUSING TROUBLE FOR HALF THE GAME!"

[DELETE_THIS]

Seriously Diamondeye? That was just stupid. "Hurr Derr, im gonna be killed. ughhhhhh, HEY EVERYONE THAT GUY THAT LIKES TO HELP THE MAFIA IS STILL AROUND, EVERYONE GET HIM EVEN THOUGH HE JUST JOINED TWO DAYS AGO, HE HAS TO BE THE GUY WHO HAS BEEN CAUSING TROUBLE FOR HALF THE GAME!"

Mafia buddy found! :-D

[a completely inoffensive name]

I went back to read the updates: Everyone's name has a color. EXCEPT for cover roles: Unvote; Vote: Diamondeye
unfortunately there aren't that many cover roles in the updates. Otherwise it would have been a good target for a vigilante hit. I like to remind everyone that ACIN is being too silent, so maybe him?

Correct that, that statement is wrong.
Unvote; Vote: ACIN

[a completely inoffensive name]

Mafia buddy found! :-D

You found a mirror?