Want a Spanish Baby? Dial 1-800-PRIEST

[Louis VI the Fat]

I don't really have a problem admitting that at all Tellos. Also, your post is one that merits a serious response than those that precede it. But it always seems there are some on the Org who can't pass up a good Church bashing; it makes their sincerity of concern for victims called severely into question.

I see.

Doctors, nurses, nuns and priests are all suspected of having lied to parents. Spanish journalists investigating the racket have discovered a baby’s corpse in a fridge at a Madrid clinic at the centre of the allegations. It is feared dead babies were kept to show parents to prove their own child had died.

Enrique Vila, a lawyer representing campaign group the National Association of Irregular Adoptions, said it had uncovered cases of illegal adoptions in Spain which have been confirmed by DNA tests.
He said: “We think it was an organised mafia.”
Since the scandal came to light, workers at an undertaker’s office in Malaga have admitted burying empty children’s coffins delivered from a nearby clinic.

Read more: http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...#ixzz1CXbVUcAm

Parents are told their babies have died. They either see no corpse, or, even more macabre, in one clinic are shown a baby corpse which is kept for this specific purpose in the clinic's fridge. The nuns steal the live baby, the priest organises a burial, using an empty coffin to con the parents.


May I suggest you send your infantile pictures and 'haters will be haters' commentary directly to the inconsolable parents? You can find them here, they have their own website: http://anadir.es/

[Reenk Roink]

Parents are told their babies have died. They either see no corpse, or, even more macabre, in one clinic are shown a baby corpse which is kept for this specific purpose in the clinic's fridge. The nuns steal the live baby, the priest organises a burial, using an empty coffin to con the parents.

Are you even able to grasp the critical problem with your posts? Hell, do you even read what you post?

From what you explicitly quoted:

Doctors, nurses, nuns and priests are all suspected of having lied to parents.

From the article itself:

Instead they were smuggled out of the hospitals by doctors, administrators and even nuns before being sold off to childless couples for large sums of money.

and

Since the scandal came to light, workers at an undertaker’s office in Malaga have admitted burying empty children’s coffins delivered from a nearby clinic.

Bold emphasis mine.

"Curse the medical establishment. Curse their mutual stranglehold over Spain."

Better call 1-800 GRAVEDIGGER now.

Give me a freakin' break.

May I suggest you send your infantile pictures and 'haters will be haters' commentary directly to the inconsolable parents? You can find them here, they have their own website: http://anadir.es/

I don't buy your angst act one bit here. Because even if it is genuine, it is obviously completely directed at the Church (oh, and Franco), ignoring everything else. And before you try with the weaselly equivocation of your own self and the victims in this tragedy, I certainly am not calling them haters, I'm calling you one.

As for hating on me, I have one for that too.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Are you trying to run this thread into the ground with barrages of snide insults and infantile pictures Reenk?


If you can't deal with criticism of the church, then don't read these threads.

[Fragony]

What's wrong with being a hater, I am perfectly ok with being one. Screw the church, preferably hard deep and unsafe

[Louis VI the Fat]

What's wrong with being a hater, I am perfectly ok with being one. Screw the church, preferably hard deep and unsafe

Did I mention yet that many robbed children were taken by the church itself and raised into priests?

Sadly, it is a self-sustaining system. Children are robbed. Then they are hidden away from outside influences. They are beaten, raped and indoctrinated into ultra-Catholic beliefs. Then they are ordained as priests, the new generation. Their very identities and childhood have been stolen. Small wonder they are unable to love children in a normal way. And so the madnes carries on.

[Fragony]

What bothers me most is that they feel they are the ones being mistreated. They take their holyness for granted

winner of cartoon of the year award here in Dutchland http://digitaleeditie.nrc.nl/NH/2011...e5_2_large.jpg

tasteless sure, but hey

[Reenk Roink]

Are you trying to run this thread into the ground with barrages of snide insults and infantile pictures Reenk?

Do you actually have the groundless assumption that your postings in this thread are of a higher status/ affectation than actually contained? That they actually deserve any more 'respect' than I have given?

If you can't deal with criticism of the church, then don't read these threads.

I can deal with criticism of the Church just fine. I generally ignore it, there are far more capable responders than me willing to devote the time and effort required. At that point I will just cite them or their works.

Bashing the church on the other hand, I certainly like to give back. But if you are really bothered by my presence, I will leave you to fling about in the mud by yourself.

Feel free to not only grossly oversimplify the blame for this situation, but grossly overpaint the one being blamed.

[Greyblades]

...Man I miss John Paul II.

[Louis VI the Fat]

...Man I miss John Paul II.

JPII certainly had more redeeming qualities than God's Rottweiler Ratzinger. Even so, JPII was an old man, he slept while both the sexual abuse case and the cradle snatching scandal went on.
And that's the friendly take. The other story is that of JPII not sleeping at all, but remaining a grand strategist for whom the spread of Catholicism overrides any moral consideration.


For example:

Here is JPII giving his blessing to Marcial Maciel, founder of Christ's Legionaries, during a special audience the pontiff granted, at the Vatican, in 2004.

Christ's Legionaries are a massive organisation. There are 1,000 Legion priests in 22 countries and over 2,500 seminarians. They run very traditional Catholic schools and charities with its lay movement, Regnum Christi, who has about 70,000 members (competing with Opus Dei 80,000 members). Marcial Maciel is also a prodigous fundraiser, collecting $650 million annually. Hence he was blessed by John Paul.

Marcial Maciel is also a drug addict, serial rapist, and the father of several children by at least two women. He even anally raped his own biological son. Naturally, one need have little illusion about the goings on in the global seminaries chain this serial rapist founded. A thousand priests, presented with tens of thousands of little boys on a silver platter, while pious or cretinous believers pay them $650 million dollar a year.

So much money, that John Paul - ever the practical pope - protected this man to the last, kept heaping praise and blessing upon him. Maciel remained a man whom John Paul much admired, despite his being perfectly aware of the 'sinful' side of this incestuous paedophile.

That's John Paul for you.

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You are talking bollox, Louis.

Surely the above can't be true?

I am most serious. Here is the scathing portrait of this wicked man as presented by the National Catholic Reporter itself: NCR

Maciel secured scholarships for his seminarians in Spain from the Franco government. “We were like an army,
the army of Jesus Christ,” recalled Alejandro Espinosa, the author of a searing memoir, El
Legionario, a best-seller in Mexico.

By the 1950s Maciel had a seminary in Rome. Cultivating wealthy supporters, he also built Our
Lady of Guadalupe Basilica in Rome, honoring Mexico’s patron saint. But in 1956 Pope Pius XII
removed him as the Legion’s director when Maciel was hospitalized for morphine addiction.
Seminarians who had taken vows never to speak ill of Maciel defended him in a Vatican
investigation into his secret life. Says Juan Vaca, now a psychology professor in Long Island,
N.Y.: “I lied.” From age 12 to 24, Vaca, in what he termed a twisted psychosexual relationship
with Maciel, “loved the figure of the founder, the priest … not the predator.”

Another victim, Jose Barba, now a college professor in Mexico City said: “We all lied.” Barba
earned a doctorate in Latin American studies at Harvard after leaving the Legion in 1962. “I said
simply that he was a saint … as I had been taught.”

In the interregnum between Pius XII’s death and the election of Pope John XXIII, Cardinal
Clemente Micara, the vicar of Rome, re-instated Maciel, although under Vatican rules he lacked
the authority to do so.

Defended by his victims, Maciel had a protective wall in the secret vows the boys took never to
criticize any superior. A Legion mantra, “lost vocation, sure damnation” sent certain of his victims
into therapy in later life. The early victims reconnected with one another slowly, over many years.

One of the founding texts of the religious order this man founded in between anally raping his biological son, was the 1959 book El salterio de mis días. I tells the authobiographical story of the many persecutions this poor man has had to endure. The persecutions served as an inspiration to his Catholic followers everywhere.
However, in 2010 the Vatican in 2010 finally admitted what desperate Spanish had claimed all along. Namely, that the entire book was plagiarised from the posthumously published memoirs in 1956 of a Spanish politician. A politician who died in 1943, as a victim of persectuion by Franco and the church.

So not only did they murder this politician, they then stole his memoirs and presented his story of persecution as their own. This then became the holy book of an ultra-catholic order founded by a serial rapist, which made so much money the founding priest could continue anally raping his own son with the continued blessing and protection to the last by John Paul II.

The depravity of the Vatican is unlimited.

[Fisherking]

@ Louis

Do you see this as part of a Papal Conspiracy?

I am not a friend of The Church, or religion in general for that matter but I don’t see this issue as purely a church created problem.

I won’t say that pedophiles and the depraved have not put on a cloak to hide within the church and have some institutional protection.

But do you think that every Pope from 1939 until today has been working to further the aims of these people?