Gay Parenting

[HoreTore]

The argument that a homosexual union lacks the mother/father figure is ridiculous considering the number of single moms and dads raising kids these days.

But meh, it is no surprise that conservative homo-haters are unaware of whats happening in the real world.

[Furunculus]

the statistics are quite clear that having two parents in stable relationship statistically guaranteed to bringer better outcomes for the kids............... i'm not sure it matters whether the parents are d00d's, gal's, or a mix.

[HoreTore]

Yeah, I feel I can blame all my shortcomings on my parents divorce.

/sarcasm

[Beirut]

My brother is gay. I grew up thinking homosexuals were just one more variety of people to know. No big deal at all.

That said, I don't think gay couples should be allowed to adopt children if conventional couples are available. The right of the child to a "normal" (mother and father) upbringing outweigh the desires the gay couple to raise a child.

[a completely inoffensive name]

My brother is gay. I grew up thinking homosexuals were just one more variety of people to know. No big deal at all.

That said, I don't think gay couples should be allowed to adopt children if conventional couples are available. The right of the child to a "normal" (mother and father) upbringing outweigh the desires the gay couple to raise a child.

You think your brother is inherently a worse parent then any straight parent?

[Beirut]

You think your brother is inherently a worse parent then any straight parent?

No.

But my brother isn't the issue. The child is the issue. And a child has a right to a mother and a father.

[a completely inoffensive name]

No.

But my brother isn't the issue. The child is the issue. And a child has a right to a mother and a father.

I hate this phrase because it was over used in middle school when some counselor came in and said it 9,001 times but, "Every child has a right to be loved." I don't see that that "Every child has a right to be loved by a mother and father and if none are available then by a same sex couple."

A child has a right to be taken care of. Could you please explain the reasoning behind why there is a right to have heterosexual couple parents above homosexual ones?

[Megas Methuselah]

And a child has a right to a mother and a father.

Really? Since when? You should have told that to my dad. Haven't seen the bastard in a decade.

[Furunculus]

Yeah, I feel I can blame all my shortcomings on my parents divorce.

/sarcasm

while that's lovely, and I am delighted you turned into such a well adjusted* young man, your triumph as a single statistic does nothing to dispute the proven fact that kids with two 'loving' parents have better outcomes relative to kids with only one full-time parent.


*rofl

[rory_20_uk]

Sexual orientation is far less important than many other factors in who makes a good parent / good outcomes for the children.

[Furunculus]

Sexual orientation is far less important than many other factors in who makes a good parent / good outcomes for the children.

agreed, nothing i said above could be said to dispute that.

[HoreTore]

while that's lovely, and I am delighted you turned into such a well adjusted* young man, your triumph as a single statistic does nothing to dispute the proven fact that kids with two 'loving' parents have better outcomes relative to kids with only one full-time parent.


*rofl

The majority of kids these days will be kids coming from divorced families.

I seriously doubt that civilizaton will collapse.


Moving was a much bigger issue for me than my parents divorce. Should we stop people from moving if thwy have kids well adjusted to their home enviroment?

[Furunculus]

The majority of kids these days will be kids coming from divorced families. I seriously doubt that civilizaton will collapse.


Moving was a much bigger issue for me than my parents divorce. Should we stop people from moving if thwy have kids well adjusted to their home enviroment?

again you pick an individual example, yourself, and promote it as a refutation of a broader statistical trend that has been observed and evidenced. that's just wrong d00d.

no, because that is exactly the kind of nannying government we don't want, whereas the point about child-outcomes from single vs dual parents results from the fact that in Britain we have a benefits system that actively penalises parents for staying together. government interference in personal life should always be kept to an absolute minimum, even if it causes a social good, but it should be treated with scathing contempt if it manages to produce a worse outcome for society.

[Fragony]

The majority of kids these days will be kids coming from divorced families.

I seriously doubt that civilizaton will collapse.

Because civilisation is insensistive by nature, what about the fathers who are actually denied seeing their children, by the same lot that has a mutual orgasm over gay parenting. Feminism.

[HoreTore]

I think I was 9 or 10 the first time I had sexual education...can't really remember.

Sex-ed for a five year old? I have no problems with that.

[ajaxfetish]

My cousins seem to be doing okay. They're still school-age, but I'd be surprised if they turn out any less well-adjusted than they would have with heterosexual parents. It probably helps that they're growing up in Berkeley. I suspect the biggest problem children of gay parents are likely to face is prejudice from outside the family, rather than inadequate parenting within.

Ajax

[Megas Methuselah]

Because civilisation is insensistive by nature, what about the fathers who are actually denied seeing their children, by the same lot that has a mutual orgasm over gay parenting. Feminism.

Yeah, but women are hot.

Having a mother and father is the natural way of things. It gives the child a more natural way of being brought up and intergrating with society. And as the child is the most important person in this equation, the prospective parent's rights are secondary at best.

Yeah, I'll just take your word for it then, right?

[SwordsMaster]

You're right, parenting IS gay!

[LeftEyeNine]

Sorry, HoreTore, I can't see a conservative homo-hater around here. Why bring in a figure that has yet to be present within this discussion ? Do your ideas have to draw its energy from the stern disagreement/despise/ridicule you bear towards what/whom you oppose ?

Single moms and dads may be raising kids, of course, which is not the point. You can feed/shelter/provide education for anyone. I am rather concerned with how well it could be with gay parents (in a questioning manner). Yeah, a sexually "classic" family does not have to be the best family some kid can have. I just want to establish a rational idea on whether a family of gay parents is inherently more prone to flaws/issues with kid's mentality/social integration that could heavily affect his/her later life.

[Rhyfelwyr]

The argument that a homosexual union lacks the mother/father figure is ridiculous considering the number of single moms and dads raising kids these days.

This is true, and two wrongs don't make a right.

The best way to tackle the issue is to make divorce punishable by law, its just common sense for breaking a legal contract. Also not giving children sex education from primary school would be helpful, because thats just sick.

[a completely inoffensive name]

This is true, and two wrongs don't make a right.

The best way to tackle the issue is to make divorce punishable by law, its just common sense for breaking a legal contract. Also not giving children sex education from primary school would be helpful, because thats just sick.

lol. So punish the women who make the mistake of falling for a manipulative guy and make sure the kids don't know how babby is formed.

[Rhyfelwyr]

lol. So punish the women who make the mistake of falling for a manipulative guy and make sure the kids don't know how babby is formed.

Well if only one person is found responsible for causing the divorce, then only they should be punished. Is there any reason at all why they shouldn't be? Unlike when you break any other legal contract?

As for the issue with sex education for kids, I don't care if this is offensive but the people pushing this are perverts. They aint right in the head if they really want to teach those things to 5 year olds.

I love your fire and brimstone side, Rhy. Especially considering its night time now, and I've had a few.... I might be a little...vulnerable....if you know what I mean.

Kadagar is the only Scandinavian for me! Ah, the ski resort... so many fond memories...

[rory_20_uk]

Well if only one person is found responsible for causing the divorce, then only they should be punished. Is there any reason at all why they shouldn't be? Unlike when you break any other legal contract?

In divorce, one side has to "blame" the other for the breakdown of the marriage. There is no scope for "just growing apart". From the court's point of view the stated cause for divorce is irrelevent.

Then the factor is that if you want a divorce, why contest the reason for it? It only adds to the time (and for lawyers, time=lots of money) before you can move on, unless "point scoring" is worth more than your free time and money.

Children generally still want to see their parents. Even if one was not that nice to their other, generally they still like to see a bit of them - it's just the way we humans are.

[Fragony]

No offence taken, but sexual education starts at 8 year's old here, you would be very happy with our sexual morality. No teenage pregnancies, they very rare at least. Almost everyones first time is a loving memory. Girls don't dress like total tramps. There's a sadness to more restricted societies that could never hope to dream to match teh Dutchlands

[HoreTore]

This is true, and two wrongs don't make a right.

The best way to tackle the issue is to make divorce punishable by law, its just common sense for breaking a legal contract. Also not giving children sex education from primary school would be helpful, because thats just sick.

I love your fire and brimstone side, Rhy. Especially considering its night time now, and I've had a few.... I might be a little...vulnerable....if you know what I mean.

[PanzerJaeger]

Studies have been pretty clear on the subject.

A Cambridge University developmental psychologist testified at a federal trial in San Francisco today that broad research has documented that children of same-sex parents are just as likely as those of heterosexual parents to be well-adjusted.

"Studies have found children do not require both a male and female parent," testified Michael Lamb, who heads Cambridge's Department of Social and Developmental Psychology.

The biggest challenge to same-sex parenting is a bigotted environment.