Separation of Science and State

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Your troll powers are weak my young Padawan

The scientist displays evidence which is then testable by someone else, this idea is then accepted until proven otherwise.

The religious guy just says god told me and that's it.

Paradigm blindness. Scientific "evidence" is provided and tested by the "scientific method". That is no different than religion, where religious evidence is presented and religious methods are used to test that evidence.

Philosophically speaking they are equitably useless/useful.

[gaelic cowboy]

Paradigm blindness. Scientific "evidence" is provided and tested by the "scientific method". That is no different than religion, where religious evidence is presented and religious methods are used to test that evidence.

Philosophically speaking they are equitably useless/useful.

unfortunately paradigm blindness would mean I have to accept there may be another method to figure out the world other than the scientific method.

By your calculation it should be possible to build a church foundations, walls, roof etc etc by the religious method and trust it will stand up.

[The Stranger]

they have been building houses walls and roofs thousands of years before there was anything that remotely looked like the scientific method.

again science and the scientific method are something completely different than technology. though it is true that science is most dominant in the technological domain and nowadays technology is so dependent on science that they cant really be separated.

[gaelic cowboy]

they have been building houses walls and roofs thousands of years before there was anything that remotely looked like the scientific method.

again science and the scientific method are something completely different than technology. though it is true that science is most dominant in the technological domain and nowadays technology is so dependent on science that they cant really be separated.

And yet only the scientific method can tell you why the church stands up the religious method has no such ability.

Plus your not giving enough credit to the deductive powers of ancient peoples, just cos they may not have called it science does not mean they did not understand that different alloys gave differnt properties in casting.

[The Stranger]

And yet only the scientific method can tell you why the church stands up the religious method has no such ability.

Plus your not giving enough credit to the deductive powers of ancient peoples, just cos they may not have called it science does not mean they did not understand that different alloys gave differnt properties in casting.

it does so only you wouldnt believe it. and no it probably wouldnt provide empirical evidence, because that is the scientific method.

deducing is part of the scientific method it is not solely the scientific method. so i dont see your point.

[gaelic cowboy]

deducing is part of the scientific method it is not solely the scientific method. so i dont see your point.

Because your were trying to say that merely because people did not have Ipods and whatnot they must have thought buildings stood up because of god.

People were easily smart enough to know that they stood up because they put mortar in between the stones and then built the stone courses up layer by layer.

they did not call it science but they did have the evidence that could prove badly built walls fall down.

[Reenk Roink]

That is one of the weirdest sites I have ever been to in my 5 seconds of browsing it. The fact that they didn't cite Feyerabend's Science in a Free Society also possibly hints that they might be ignorant of his work or have ripped off it.

[The Stranger]

Because your were trying to say that merely because people did not have Ipods and whatnot they must have thought buildings stood up because of god.

People were easily smart enough to know that they stood up because they put mortar in between the stones and then built the stone courses up layer by layer.

they did not call it science but they did have the evidence that could prove badly built walls fall down.

-_- if you dont read what i write than there is no point in exchanging words.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

This:

What are you talking about?

When they measure something, it's evidence. It's provided by a ruler or a scale or a thermometer, not by the scientific method

Is answered by this:

it does so only you wouldnt believe it. and no it probably wouldnt provide empirical evidence, because that is the scientific method.

deducing is part of the scientific method it is not solely the scientific method. so i dont see your point.

Science measures, but measurement is not the only way of gaining information. In answer to why the Church stands up, it stands because all it's arcs were drawn in alignment and the stone is perfectly balanced, or as near as possible. Medieval architects understood form, but they didn't understand things like tensile strength and loadbearing supports. That's why medieval buildings look so different to modern ones, and personally I prefer them.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Paradigm blindness. Scientific "evidence" is provided and tested by the "scientific method". That is no different than religion, where religious evidence is presented and religious methods are used to test that evidence.

Philosophically speaking they are equitably useless/useful.

What are you talking about?

When they measure something, it's evidence. It's provided by a ruler or a scale or a thermometer, not by the scientific method

[The Stranger]

What are you talking about?

When they measure something, it's evidence. It's provided by a ruler or a scale or a thermometer, not by the scientific method

empirical evidence is different than per example logical evidence and empirical evidence is the (sole) ingredient of verification is scientific.