Civil War in Libya

[Ronin]

You forgot the spanish civil war?!?!?!

in the spanish civil war the "revolutionaries" were the fascists...so that's an example of a revolution working.....not being put down.

[HoreTore]

in the spanish civil war the "revolutionaries" were the fascists...so that's an example of a revolution working.....not being put down.

That's a mighty simplistic view... The spanish republic was almost evenly divided between the nationalists and republicans, and the republicans also promised a violent revolution if they lost the election.

If it had been the nationalists who got the tiny majority in the last election, the revoution would've been started by the republicans and the scenario would fit perfectly with what we're seeing now.

Apart from that minor detail, the spanish civil war fits perfectly with the "popular uprising crushed by authoritarian state"-scenario.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

That's a mighty simplistic view... The spanish republic was almost evenly divided between the nationalists and republicans, and the republicans also promised a violent revolution if they lost the election.

If it had been the nationalists who got the tiny majority in the last election, the revoution would've been started by the republicans and the scenario would fit perfectly with what we're seeing now.

Apart from that minor detail, the spanish civil war fits perfectly with the "popular uprising crushed by authoritarian state"-scenario.

Except that it was the Socialists who precipitated the crisis by trying to overthrow the monarchy. You know the Spanish Kings HoreTore, they're the royals that actively safe-guard the freedom of their people.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Except that it was the Socialists who precipitated the crisis by trying to overthrow the monarchy. You know the Spanish Kings HoreTore, they're the royals that actively safe-guard the freedom of their people.

Oh what bollox again. The king did not support freedom, the king supported (was the puppet of) Prime de Rivera, the Spanish dictator. When the dictator died, the monarchy was abolished too. In its place came the Spanish Republic, a democratically established, free republic. This was way back in 1931.

The monarchy had been long gone when the republic was violently overthrown by insurrectionists. The civil war started in 1936 when the fascist and monarchist insurrectionists sought to overthrow the free republic. When they succeeded, neither a free country nor a monarchy resulted, but Franco's dictatorship was imposed.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Oh what bollox again. The king did not support freedom, the king supported (was the puppet of) Prime de Rivera, the Spanish dictator. When the dictator died, the monarchy was abolished too. In its place came the Spanish Republic, a democratically established, free republic. This was way back in 1931.

The monarchy had been long gone when the republic was violently overthrown by insurrectionists. The civil war started in 1936 when the fascist and monarchist insurrectionists sought to overthrow the free republic. When they succeeded, neither a free country nor a monarchy resulted, but Franco's dictatorship was imposed.

I conflated two points.

1. That the Spanish King has protected the rights of his people, to upset HoreTore,

and

2. That the scoialists caused the revolution, which was precipitated by the insistance on getting rid of the King and creating a socialist constitution.

[Louis VI the Fat]

I conflated two points.

1. That the Spanish King has protected the rights of his people, to upset HoreTore,

and

2. That the scoialists caused the revolution, which was precipitated by the insistance on getting rid of the King and creating a socialist constitution.

Much as it pains me so, and I am not sure I agree myself, just about everyone knowledgable about Spain insists to me that the present monarchy has been essential in stabilising democracy in Spain in the past few decades.

Maybe that much is true. Fact is that Spain has seen a remarkable economic and cultural flowering recently, not a given in all of former dictatorial Europe.


I do not think the Second Spanish Republic was 'socialist'. A republic by its nature is progressive. All of Europe's republic, and the US one too, are opposed to the aristocracy, to Rome, to monarchy, to the army as a state within a state. The Nationalists were reactionaries, opposing freedoms one takes for granted in Switzerland, France and America. They were not the protector of Spain against an extreme-left dictatorship. They were too backwards looking to even be proper fascists, which is a modernist enemy of liberal democracy.


Franco's hounddogs learned their tricks while brutalising the population of Spanish Morocco. Then they brought their terror home, against their own people. Which might return this to the subject of North Africa and the use of force against one's own population.

[Strike For The South]

One of my instructors was from Spain last semester

She was beautifual

[HoreTore]

I conflated two points.

1. That the Spanish King has protected the rights of his people, to upset HoreTore,

and

2. That the scoialists caused the revolution, which was precipitated by the insistance on getting rid of the King and creating a socialist constitution.

I'm not sure whether I should laugh or cry at this massive fail.

[Idaho]

2. That the scoialists caused the revolution, which was precipitated by the insistance on getting rid of the King and creating a socialist constitution.

Complete drivel I'm afraid.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Well, in 1981, it was the monarchy that said no to the would-be fascist revolutionaries when parliament was taken hostage.