Backdoor Abortion

[Goofball]

Flawed analogy is flawed.

Actually that analogy is perfect. Both making a baby and a cake require ingredients, then gestating/cooking before you have the finished product. I don't see how you can say that is a flawed analogy (other than because it obliterates your argument and it's a pure gesture of self-defence). ;)

But again why does it matter that it can survive on its own?

As I have already said, because IMO at that point you are taking a human life. Before that you aren't.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Actually that analogy is perfect. Both making a baby and a cake require ingredients, then gestating/cooking before you have the finished product. I don't see how you can say that is a flawed analogy (other than because it obliterates your argument and it's a pure gesture of self-defence). ;)

The analogy is flawed because we all agree that a cake is only created when the ingredients are prepared in a certain way, but it is not accepted by everyone that the biological matter that we are composed of only makes us human at a certain point in its development... that is the whole point of the debate.

As I have already said, because IMO at that point you are taking a human life. Before that you aren't.

But... why is that when it become a human life?

[ajaxfetish]

The analogy is flawed because we all agree that a cake is only created when the ingredients are prepared in a certain way, but it is not accepted by everyone that the biological matter that we are composed of only makes us human at a certain point in its development... that is the whole point of the debate.

I don't think I could say when exactly in the baking process a cake becomes a cake. Bring it out too soon and it'll still be gooey; but what is the exact moment when it is sufficiently done to qualify as a cake? Another gray area, just like fetal development.

Ajax

[Tuuvi]

The ingredients of a cake sitting in a bowl are more analogous to some sperm and unfertilized eggs sitting in a test tube than they are to a newly conceived fetus.