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    Default Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron

    Factions for the 30 CE map:

    --- Nomad ---
    Xiongnu
    Wusun

    --- Sino-Korean ---
    Han Chao
    Buyeo
    Koguryo

    --- Indo-Iranian ---
    State of Samarkand
    Kushan Empire
    Western Kshatrapas

    --- South Indian ---
    Satavahanas
    Cholas
    Pandyas
    Ruhunas

    --- South Asian ---
    Funan

    Any other suggested factions?
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    Default Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron

    I thought you called yourself the Mad Arab?

    The Nabateans were merchant-kings, who were also good sailors, and doubtless participated heavily in the Indian trade in the 1st century CE; where doubtless they would encounter Chinese. Axum GREW off the trade to India. Saba, maybe not; but by the 1st century CE Saba was almost wiped out.
    Haha, I said I wasn't sure, that may come have across as a bit odd though. Of course they would have met in Indian trade, I'm just not sure whether there was any direct political contact between the two states, rather than via an intermediary, in this case India.
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    Regardless which proposal do you favor?
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    If you are going to extend the map all the way to China, then there really is no excuse not to have a Tibetan culture. Also, did I misread or has this mod's start date been changed?
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    How much info do we have on Tibetans at this time? THen again not much on Funan either I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Populus Romanus View Post
    If you are going to extend the map all the way to China, then there really is no excuse not to have a Tibetan culture. Also, did I misread or has this mod's start date been changed?
    We are not, gamegeek proposals' don't speak for the mod itself.

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    How much info do we have on Tibetans at this time? THen again not much on Funan either I guess.
    Could you please go to the darned dev forum and post it there. We could use it as a late-campaign concept if we even finish this one, but to avoid confusing the forumgoers, please put a warning and/or spoilers in it.

    I appretiate the help too. Thank you.

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    How will it be a late-game version if it's on a completely different map? That doesn't make any sense at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamegeek2 View Post
    How will it be a late-game version if it's on a completely different map? That doesn't make any sense at all.
    Another modfolder? We'll think something out hahahah

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    If only one culture slot is usd for INdia I cannot see why One cant be used for China.
    Lets see....

    Hellenics

    Semitic

    Iranian

    Nomad

    Indian

    Han

    And space for 1 more


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazy O View Post
    If only one culture slot is usd for INdia I cannot see why One cant be used for China.
    Lets see....

    Hellenics

    Semitic

    Iranian

    Nomad

    Indian

    Han

    And space for 1 more
    You forget Romans, and western (non makedonian) hellenic, they can't be united in a single one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jirisys View Post
    You forget Romans, and western (non makedonian) hellenic, they can't be united in a single one.

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    well, let's just ditch the Romans alltogether, put hellenic under a single culture since the scope of this mod is far bigger than europe. In larger scale, another people won't see much differences between greeks and romans.

    just like what I see as an South East Asian here, I think Latin Americans compared with North Americans, is virtually the same, and I think Japanese compared with Chinese are far different.

    If it focus in Asia, just put Greco-Romans into one culture, that'll be fine

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    Wolf, can you comment on my proposal on the forums?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cute Wolf View Post
    well, let's just ditch the Romans alltogether, put hellenic under a single culture since the scope of this mod is far bigger than europe. In larger scale, another people won't see much differences between greeks and romans.

    just like what I see as an South East Asian here, I think Latin Americans compared with North Americans, is virtually the same, and I think Japanese compared with Chinese are far different.

    If it focus in Asia, just put Greco-Romans into one culture, that'll be fine
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    You know, that is frankly insulting, first off, we are mediterranean-descent, they are of saxonic descent, we are mostly socialistic and with far more inner diversity and they are capitalistic and with diversity because of diferent ethnic groups that are segregated from the main ethnia. You do forget about brazilians and amazon, mayas and mapuches. (...)


    You are regarding asia as simply china and japan, you do not understand that asia minor is also asia. You do understand that in order to have han china I would not only need several more faction, culture and religion slots, but it would also have to don't care about many tibetan, malaysian, and indian factions that wouldn't be included as well.

    The team will decide what to do, but you are as always free to join the forum and post in the Agora about any ideas or concepts, not here. Thank you.

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    Of all the people on this forum, the San Salvadorian happens to spot that. What are the odds?!

    Quite frankly, I cannot see almost any culture similarity between myself, and American, and Latin America. The US is largely W.A.S.P., Latin America is not.

    Still, I agree with his idea with merging Rome, West Greek and East Greek. For the sake of Asia.

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    Please keep things civil. Remember that, although we can clearly see the differences within our own cultural group, to outsiders this often isn't visible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Populus Romanus View Post
    Of all the people on this forum, the San Salvadorian happens to spot that. What are the odds?!

    Quite frankly, I cannot see almost any culture similarity between myself, and American, and Latin America. The US is largely W.A.S.P., Latin America is not.

    Still, I agree with his idea with merging Rome, West Greek and East Greek. For the sake of Asia.
    Hah! And you guys make fun of us Americans for making stupid stereotypes!

    Please look at ANY chart of American ancestry, you'll quickly realize just how damn wrong you are.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancestry_of_Americans
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    Hah! And you guys make fun of us Americans for making stupid stereotypes!

    Please look at ANY chart of American ancestry, you'll quickly realize just how damn wrong you are.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancestry_of_Americans
    Culture is the same. Do you want stereotypes with burgers and barbeques?

    Please refrain from posting any more of this here. Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jirisys View Post
    Culture is the same. Do you want stereotypes with burgers and barbeques?

    Please refrain from posting any more of this here. Thank you.

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    Better yet, let's drop the stereotypes altogether.
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    What new cultures will you create with the freed up culture slots? Presuming that Roman and W. Greek are out the window. Tibetan of course, and also divide the Steppe culture to represent the vast cultural differences between the people of the Russian steppe and the people of the Central Asian steppe. Those would be my suggestions.

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    Why does Rome even need a seperate culture? Merge them with the Greeks!! We need moar diversity for Asia Minor/Iran/Nomads/Indians


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    Populus Romanus, I really don't think that making a culture for "rebel" cities only is a good idea. No playable faction - no need of culture. No Tibet as faction - no need making culture for them. Mod about Asia, so merging Romans, W and E Greeks is a good idea. For the sake of Asia!



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    I don't know if the Tibetans should be represented as just rebels, though. I was pretty bummed the other day, because I have this HUGE book about ancient cultures, including Tibet, and was thinking, "Oh I can totally do a whole bunch of research to piece together Tibetan culture." But guess what? It only starts with introduction of Buddhism into Tibet in 800 AD! However, there were plenty of independent Tibetan kingdoms. I cannot find out what they were like, though, because my book only starts 1000 years later!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Populus Romanus View Post
    I don't know if the Tibetans should be represented as just rebels, though. I was pretty bummed the other day, because I have this HUGE book about ancient cultures, including Tibet, and was thinking, "Oh I can totally do a whole bunch of research to piece together Tibetan culture." But guess what? It only starts with introduction of Buddhism into Tibet in 800 AD! However, there were plenty of independent Tibetan kingdoms. I cannot find out what they were like, though, because my book only starts 1000 years later!
    Today's Tibetan things only got widespread popularity because of Dalai Lama and their efforts of rebellion from their Chinese conquerors

    Before the rise of Lhasa under Qi Zhonglong Zhan, all that we got in Tibet are small kingdoms and warlords, spaced with some Semi-Nomadic hordes. The best things that could come in terms of Tibetan faction are very loose confederacy of tribes that not even united in language.

    Plus, before the arrival of Buddhism, Tibet was populated by Nomadic cannibals (according to Han Chinese literatures), so what would you can expect is Voinos like troopers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cute Wolf View Post
    Plus, before the arrival of Buddhism, Tibet was populated by Nomadic cannibals (according to Han Chinese literatures), so what would you can expect is Voinos like troopers
    To be fair, the Tibetans and the Chinese were historical enemies, I do not think it would be below the Chinese to spread false stories about the Tibetans.

    As for Tibetan factions, I think you do have a point. There are none to choose from! Except for the Zhangzhung, but they are pretty uncharted territory.


    May I propose an alternative start date?
    I would suggest 230 BC. The advantages of this are clear: The Maurya are dead, therefore making the question of who will dominate India less of a no brainer. India would be split between multiple warring kingdoms trying to fill their power vacuum. The Pandyas, the Satahavana, the Indo-Greeks, and the Sunga could all be in. This would make the situation in India way more interesting. Also, this would help represent unfairly represented India. after all, just look at the concentration of factions west to east, and one will see that the west is way overrepresented at the expense of the east. Also, no new faction slots would be used up in doing this. The Indo-Greeks were still part of Bactria, the Sunga were the natural successors of the Maurya, athe Pandyas are already in, and so are the Satavahana, although now they are playable.
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    Yeah, tibetan states don't emerge until around 600 AD
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    Quick 2 cents...
    Drop the Roman culture slot, it can be used somewhere else( I think). By that I mean take the road that EB teams uses, no emergent factions. That is of course starting date is 247(originally intended?).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Populus Romanus View Post
    To be fair, the Tibetans and the Chinese were historical enemies, I do not think it would be below the Chinese to spread false stories about the Tibetans.

    As for Tibetan factions, I think you do have a point. There are none to choose from! Except for the Zhangzhung, but they are pretty uncharted territory.
    I will said that Tibet-Chinese enemities start from the period when Buddhism gain prominence and unite Tibet

    actually, if you read most central-south-southeast asian history, you'll notice one thing, before the arrival of buddhism (and in some places, even until Islam comes, and some cults still exists even today), cannibalism and human sacrifice are very common features.

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    Why do you want Maurya to be dead??(I object to that since my family is originally of that region )


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazy O View Post
    Why do you want Maurya to be dead??(I object to that since my family is originally of that region )
    actually, with Maurya still in, the works will be easier

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