Hard is pretty hard!

**andrewt** · 03-17-2011, 23:12

Originally Posted by A Nerd

I ordered the game yesterday so I have yet to play the game. What do you mean by Realm Divide? Isn't trade established like in ETW and the like?

I only heard of realm divide from Jack's BR that was linked here. After capturing a set of provinces and becoming too large, the shogun asks everybody to declare war on you. The only factions who will not will be ones that are really friendly to you. I haven't reached it yet since I'm slowly taking my time.

**Napoleon The Emperor Of Europe** · 03-18-2011, 11:54

Originally Posted by Gregoshi

Great. You have insulted each other. Call it a draw, shake hands (or bow to each other) and move on. Let's not forget to be civil and respectful of each other.

no thank you.

**Napoleon The Emperor Of Europe** · 03-18-2011, 11:57

Originally Posted by Daevyll

m8, no offence but the rest of the forum does not consist of complete idiots and your brand of generic oversimplified 'strategies' is as redundant as your delivery is annoying.

So lets leave it at the fact that I enjoy the challenge at the hard difficulty level and like to share my experiences with others ok? Yoda I seek not.

It is that thing which has enbaled humans to become what we are today.How did we grow here?Wee bulided,we made wars,we made alliances,populations expanded,we made trade.

Its the same with Buiness.anything some one does,or anything else new,must be clever,and know what is going to happen.

That way,you will win

**Jambo** · 03-18-2011, 12:00

Heh, hard is indeed hard, unlike previous TW games where all levels were 'easy' :)

I've now lost two Oda campaigns on hard, perhaps not surprising when the Oda AI controlled always die out turn 2.

I'm now trying Takeda on hard and that's going better, i.e. I've lasted >10 turns. However, this time around I'm finding different problems to contend with. Having too many allies can be detrimental, the simple matter being that I'm now competing to conquer territories. At times I've found myself providing the softening blow to a mutual enemy only for my ally (Hojo) to then sweep in and take the province. I still only have 1 province. lol.

**TosaInu** · 03-18-2011, 12:01

Originally Posted by Jambo

I've heard a lot of people over at the .com site say that Oda die out very early each time, and that's certainly my impression given the sequence of events that happened to me. :)

Oda became a powerhouse for years, but like many other clans: they were tiny at 'start'. It's a authentic that TWS2 offers challenging factions, thumbs up to CA for that.

**crpcarrot** · 03-18-2011, 12:11

Originally Posted by Napoleon The Emperor Of Europe

I laugh at your studitpy.It is that thing which has enbaled humans to become what we are today.How did we grow here?Wee bulided,we made wars,we made alliances,populations expanded,we made trade.

Its the same with Buiness.anything some one does,or anything else new,must be clever,and know what is going to happen.

That way,you will win

further stop insulting me,Or I will lash out.

it hink you msut be mistaking this with .com Forums

**Daveybaby** · 03-18-2011, 13:06

Originally Posted by Napoleon The Emperor Of Europe

I laugh at your studitpy.

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further stop insulting me,Or I will lash out.

Jesus, dude. You have a habit of calling people stupid and idiots if you dont agree with them (noticed this in several posts already) not to mention racist if they dont happen to like the same games you do. So I would suggest you put your own house in order first if you dont want to be insulted.

And if a moderator suggests you leave it be, probably best to leave it be.
Alternatively, go ahead and lash out. Should be entertaining.

**TinCow** · 03-18-2011, 13:37

Wait... this game is challenging? We're talking about a Total War game, right? Really, honestly, challenging? Is that because the AI is good or the AI is stupid, but immortal? Also, is this just first impressions from a day or two of play, or is this something likely to continue for months of gameplay?

**Daveybaby** · 03-18-2011, 13:55

Originally Posted by TinCow

Also, is this just first impressions from a day or two of play, or is this something likely to continue for months of gameplay?

Well, realistically, unless CA have managed to develop a learning human level AI (which would be front page news across the world) then there are probably some failings which will come to light over the next few weeks/months, and probably some cheap tricks which will exploit certain tendencies in the AI's behaviour.

But yeah, it's a challenging game. Challenging in a good way. I havent seen the AI do anything stupid so far. It doesnt seem to cheat, by, say, magicing up full stacks from nowhere AFAICT. Diplomacy seems sane, no meaningless DoWs by your allies (except apparently at some point you become big enough to challenge the shogun and all the remaining clans unite against you: which i have no problem with at all). If someone *does* DoW on you, then it's worth sitting up and taking notice, because they *will* bring the fight to you (unlike, say M2TW or ETW), so you'd better be prepared.

On normal you have to pay attention.
On hard its... hard.

Never though i'd say this of a TW game again, but it's worth buying in its release state (unless you have a fetish for anti aliasing).

**Jambo** · 03-18-2011, 13:58

Originally Posted by TinCow

Wait... this game is challenging? We're talking about a Total War game, right? Really, honestly, challenging? Is that because the AI is good or the AI is stupid, but immortal? Also, is this just first impressions from a day or two of play, or is this something likely to continue for months of gameplay?

Well, if you count first impressions as losing my first two campaigns on hard, then yes the game is definitely challenging. CAI is vastly better than previous TW iterations and diplomacy is now sensible. The BAI is helped by the fact that there is less unit variety and sieges are comparatively simpler. There's still some passive AI when the AI has reinforcements. That's the worst bug I've encountered and it's a bad one.

**Zarky** · 03-18-2011, 14:05

Originally Posted by andrewt

I only heard of realm divide from Jack's BR that was linked here. After capturing a set of provinces and becoming too large, the shogun asks everybody to declare war on you. The only factions who will not will be ones that are really friendly to you. I haven't reached it yet since I'm slowly taking my time.

Yes, Realm Divide happens when your clan fame reaches Legendary (so it's not a fixed number of provinces or anything) or when you take Kyoto (or after holding Kyoto for a while, I haven't actually managed to do so even once yet). First time it happened to me, almost everyone declared war on me, thus ending trade agreements. Only one who didn't declare war was my ally. I don't know how many will actually declare war on you when it happens, since in my game it was down to clans of 5 provinces or larger. It was really devastating for me since most of my provinces were in the process of developing when my income plummeted to 1000.

**Kagemusha** · 03-18-2011, 14:13

My apologies for interrupting the discussion and closing the thread because some members cant seem to comprehend the forum rules. I will open the thread again once the situation is sorted out.