So, your basic contention is that we should only intervene after genocide starts, not before?Originally Posted by Fragony
Re: Civil War in Libya
So, your basic contention is that we should only intervene after genocide starts, not before?
Re: Civil War in Libya
According to Mr. Putin, the Libya attacks are a Crusade - http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110321/ts_nm/us_libya
Ja mata, TosaInu. You will forever be remembered.
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Swords Made of Letters - 1938. The war is looming in France - and Alexandre Reythier does not have much time left to protect his country. A novel set before the war.
A Painted Shield of Honour - 1313. Templar Knights in France are in grave danger. Can they be saved?
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No shock there, Putin has a passionate hatred towards all people who rise up against tyranny.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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Well yeah, you don't?
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No, I prefer to intervene before thousands are massacred rather than after. Seems a bit more useful that way.
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Either way we have no business bombing Libyans. They are not a threat, and they never wronged us. Can think of places more deserving
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I agree that they are not a threat and did not wrong "us." However, I believe that Gadaffi was about to order the wholesale masaccre of tens of thousands of people simply because they no longer supported him as dictator. For me, personally, that is a good enough reason to intervene in the manner that we did.
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A story from The Telegraph detailing the crash-landing of the US fighter jet, fitting right into the pro-interventionist propaganda machinery.
Behind him his F15 Strike Eagle was a burning wreck. He had parachuted into a field of sheep somewhere near Benghazi airbase and needed to escape - his fellow crew member had landed in another field nearby.
Raising his hands in the air he called out "OK, OK" to greet the crowd. But he need not have worried.
"I hugged him and said don't be scared we are your friends," said Younis Amruni, 27.
[...]
A queue formed to shake the hand of the airman, as locals thanked him for his role in the attacks.
Witnesses said it was around midnight when they heard two planes streak out of the Libyan sky.
Mohamed Breek came out of his home a couple of hundred yards away to see what was happening above his flower-studded meadow.
"It was on fire," he said. "We didn't hear any shots it just fell from the sky by itself and then there was a big explosion."
[...]
"We are so grateful to these men who are protecting the skies," he said. "We gave him juice and then the revolutionary military people took him away."
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Hmm, something not quite as charming reported at Channel4:A story from The Telegraph detailing the crash-landing of the US fighter jet, fitting right into the pro-interventionist propaganda machinery.
Wonder what the justifications are.EXCLUSIVE: Six villagers in a field on the outskirts of Benghazi were shot and injured when a US helicopter landed to rescue a crew member from the crashed jet, reports Lindsey Hilsum.
Channel 4 News International Editor, Lindsey Hilsum, says that the villagers were shot when a US helicopter picked up the pilot who had ejected from the F-15E Eagle plane after it experienced a mechanical failure.
The US aircraft crashed on Monday night and was found in a field outside Benghazi and landed in rebel-held territory.
The local Libyans who were injured in the rescue mission are currently in hospital. They are the first confirmed casualities of allied operations, almost four days after operations began. At the time of writing, no one had died as a result of the gunfire.
EDIT: found this in the twitter feed of a Telegraph journalist:
That should explain it.It was a second jet that opened fire, wounding locals, according to the witnesses. Not the rescue helicopter
Last edited by Viking; 03-22-2011 at 19:47.
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'Us' is us non-Libyans. Dunno what gotten into Sarkozy I am completely puzzled over what we are to ackomplish there. These rebels hold out pretty well the army who are they anyway, nobody in the army defected as far as I know, why are they so well-armed
Last edited by Fragony; 03-22-2011 at 14:51.
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Many army units defected. Air Force and Navy as well.
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Actually, he's wronged quite a few non-Libyans over the past few years. Invaded parts of Chad and Egypt and got driven back. Supported Idi Amin's invasion of Tanzania which was also driven back. And he's also supported terrorists around the world. He got better in the past few years but he's definitely wronged a few non-Libyans.
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Almost the entire army stationed in the east has defected. Also, all the equipment there is now in the hands of the rebels. In addition to that, individual Lybians have bought a ton of weapons in Egypt and handed them out to the population.
As for wronging non-lybians... Gaffy saw himself as the Che Guavara of his time, and wanted to emulate him. How he went about that was to invite every crack-pot group on the planet who opposed a government. The red army fraction, IRA, palestinian groups, latin rebels, various african rebel groups, maoist groups in Asia, etc etc, the list is nearly infinite. They were all provided with a safe haven in Libya, as well as weapons, funds and other assistance. This is why a lot of countries oppose him with a passion, because he funded their local terrorists, and also why he has so strong support in a lot of countries as well, as those he helped who succeeded naturally have a thing for him.
Last edited by HoreTore; 03-22-2011 at 20:57.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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