Unification of the Isles: Britannia Hotseat (completed, winners Myth and Zim)

[phonicsmonkey]

If he had had ships parked at shore would it be an exploit if I had defeated ro sunk them?

I don't think so - you can't constrain someone from attacking a fleet for this reason. What if another (allied?) player who couldn't see the army on land drove off the fleet? My feeling is this is a risk you take when attacking an island or a province far away by sea where you have no continguous territories. You can always build a fort to retreat to.

What if his army had retreated to them but the ships were then sunk, somewhat more like actually chasing an army down?

Still think this would be fine.

I'd like to hold the save for a bit. Since Scotland is right before me we could rearrange things somehow (I think that army had two fms, maybe keep one back off the island?) if Cecil would like. I know I wouldn't want to go for such a small mistake...

That's very gracious of you. I think the best option, if you want to give him an out, is to let him replay but simply build a fort there on the island that he can retreat to once defeated.

[Zim]

That's fine with me, although it will be sad to see my destruction of his army to try to turn things around become an ok military victory.

So in that case I would agree not to siege the fort this turn?

That's very gracious of you. I think the best option, if you want to give him an out, is to let him replay but simply build a fort there on the island that he can retreat to once defeated.

[phonicsmonkey]

That's fine with me, although it will be sad to see my destruction of his army to try to turn things around become an ok military victory.

So in that case I would agree not to siege the fort this turn?

It's up to you but by the rules you would be allowed to siege it. He can always reinforce it with another army to relieve the siege...

[Ignoramus]

Ouch!

[Cecil XIX]

I say let it stand. I appreciate that everyone's willing to roll back the save and let me continue on, but I've been feeling like I'm in too many PBEMs to balance between V&V and Shogun 2 anyway. Besides, this kind of behavior is perfectly normal for the game, isn't it? I seem to remember armies sent to besiege small islands like Corsica and Sardinia also suffered complete destruction if they were were defeated while attempting to seize a province. This isn't the first time I've suffered a catastrophic defeat from a painfully obvious mistake (see my avatar and custom user title), and like those before it this failure provides a vivid experience to ensure I learn an easy lesson. Certainly it would have been perfectly easy to avoid, at the very least I could have accepted one of the many adoption offers I had received (didn't want to go any further in debt then I already was) and kept a family member somewhere safe. Besides, how often can we expect a Brittania hotseat to turn out this way? Unique situations like this should be taken advantage of and enjoyed.

And if you still feel bad for me, then write a public AAR like with the Levantine Struggle. I'd enjoy watching what happens to Scotland now.

[phonicsmonkey]

From now on I will refer to Zim as the Hammer of the Scots

[Zim]

I've gotta say, this is definately an event that will be remembered, and a testament to the part luck also plays a part in hotseats.

I feel a little better knowing you had adoption offers. In the very first turn or so I was in a similar position once, with my only family member landed in Scotland (at least, I think the prince was it). However, believing there was no way that I'd do better than break even with you trading settlements, I embraced my debt and clicked yes on every single adoption offer. I figured I would go out poor either way, might as well try to do so with a bang.