Twitter discussion

[Arjos]

The blooded ones in the first row are so badass :P

[nazgool]

Oxybeles being implementated: https://img707.imageshack.us/i/kingd...120222353.jpg/ ~Tux

Nice progress by the way

[Maeran]

Now that's progress. A totally new artillery model. Well done.

[stratigos vasilios]

Vintage EB team, they give you a good sneak peak picture and purposely tease with a (new?) unit on the left... but not nearly enough of it to make out what it could be!

[bobbin]

Thats the Roman general.

[stratigos vasilios]

I don't believe you, I'd like to see another pic...

[Populus Romanus]

Yes. There is no proof that this is not lies unless we see it at least three times!

[Shadowwalker]

*looks at the two posts above, shakes his head and leaves a book for stratigos vasilios and Populus Romanus:*

"Diplomacy. Ten easy steps to get what you want without offending your dialogue partner"

*whistles and leaves the topic*

[stratigos vasilios]

*throws book at EB team*

That why you gave it to me, right?

[Skoran]

Who likes boats like the famous Hjortspring ~Tux
https://img846.imageshack.us/i/hjotspring3.jpg/

Wth :p? Will these be the trade boats on strat map?

[stratigos vasilios]

It's probably the first look we've gotten at the campaign map's water...now we know it's confirmed as blue!...

But in all seriousness that boat does look damn good. Amazing to see great detail in the little things.

[Horatius Flaccus]

I don't think that's the campaign map's water...

The boat does look good!

[Populus Romanus]

What is this? I am so confused.

[B-Wing]

Didn't know EB2 was going to impliment 3D naval battles. :)

[Tux]

Didn't know EB2 was going to impliment 3D naval battles. :)

Of course but we won't release that functionality to the public. :P

I don't think that's the campaign map's water...

The boat does look good!

Duh, it's just a water material used for the render in 3ds max.

[Ca Putt]

ah so it's the model for the unit card from an other angle!

[Tux]

No, it's for the new 3d naval battles!!!

[vollorix]

So, while everybody is expecting the mtw2 based EB2, the team secretly is preparing to switch over to the Shogun engine? Great! :)

[XSamatan]

Actually Shogun is just a side project of some members who are somewhat linked to that area.

[Tux]

Actually Shogun is just a side project of some members who are somewhat linked to that area.

Exactly, like the whole team for example except me.

[nazgool]

new twett :)

What a pity that even his birth date is based on speculations... https://img508.imageshack.us/i/zoroaster.jpg/ ~Atraphoenix

I found this site http://www.crystalinks.com/z.html. They have interesting info that

His birthday is celebrated on March 21, as part of the Persian New Year Festival.

. Maybe this is date of new preview :)

[stratigos vasilios]

Model for the Lusitanian basic light infantry unit is finished. The soliferrum, Quesada IV sword and caetra are the main features. - JMRC

Awesome! How goes the Arevaci units?....

and

Yet another fantastic eastern unit, with maces and scales, by Alin and Gustave. Another faction's 1st release roster is nearly done. - JMRC

Beyond cool. This sound awesome!

[Skullheadhq]

I think another means EBII is progressing nicely.

[QuintusSertorius]

Here's a random question on the unit models. I can understand the temptation to make them all beautiful, as many of the units in EBI were. But I noted a throwaway note in this article:

...This I believe was Philip's first military innovation: providing the Balkan bronze pelta with a shield grip in the Greek manner positioned so that the hand was right at the rim of the shield. The length of the Greek spear, as carried by Iphikrates' men, had been limited by the requirement for it to be wielded in one hand, but with a two handed grip it could now be lengthened even further and become a true pike. Providing his army with even these arms would have overtaxed the finances of the country at the time, and no doubt only officers got the full kit of greaves, pike, bronze shield and helmet. Even they would not have had armour for the torso, and rear rankers probably had to be content with bare legs or boots (krepides), a cheap mass-produced wicker pelta and a helmet fashioned from leather.

Emphasis mine. There's a general point here about uniformity and completeness of each soldier's panoply. I note we already get some variation with the models we've seen, something the new engine does.

Is there scope within the range of models for each unit for there to be men who are more poorly-equipped mixed in? Would the modellers even be interested in making them? I don't know about the limits of the M2:TW engine, would it be possible to put them at the back?

[XSamatan]

Is there scope within the range of models for each unit for there to be men who are more poorly-equipped mixed in? Would the modellers even be interested in making them? I don't know about the limits of the M2:TW engine, would it be possible to put them at the back?

1. Sure, the historians look for this very strictly
2. Well, an artist always wants to get good results, so in a way they don't want to, but they have too ;)
3. AFAIK, no.

XSamatan

[B-Wing]

Also, don't forget that there are multiple "grades" of phalanx units available to each Hellenic faction.. For me, these are enough to suitably represent the varying quality of arms and armor amongst individual soldiers.

[stratigos vasilios]

Finished a general model for one of the undisclosed factions. ~Tux

Oooo which one? The Belage? The Arevaci? The Thyssagetae...(hey I can try can't I!)

[QuintusSertorius]

Also, don't forget that there are multiple "grades" of phalanx units available to each Hellenic faction.. For me, these are enough to suitably represent the varying quality of arms and armor amongst individual soldiers.

Variation with in the same phalanx is more interesting, to me.

[fomalhaut]

Variation with in the same phalanx is more interesting, to me.

if you watch the Romani preview, there is some clear distinctions between wealth/armor just within the horseman unit. some are wearing just a half tunic with their chest and shoulder bare, while someone right in front of him was in a full linen cuirass with a full shirt under. You do mean to want to show that sort of diversity, right?

because certainly there is diversity in the hastati in that preview too, but they seem about the same level of relative wealth. you seem to want to show not just armor diversity but a diversity that reflects the wealth disparity between members of the same unit?

[QuintusSertorius]

if you watch the Romani preview, there is some clear distinctions between wealth/armor just within the horseman unit. some are wearing just a half tunic with their chest and shoulder bare, while someone right in front of him was in a full linen cuirass with a full shirt under. You do mean to want to show that sort of diversity, right?

because certainly there is diversity in the hastati in that preview too, but they seem about the same level of relative wealth. you seem to want to show not just armor diversity but a diversity that reflects the wealth disparity between members of the same unit?

I was referring very much more specifically to state-equipped phalanxes where you might have men at the back who were nowhere near as well-equipped as the more trustworthy men at the front. In the quote we're even talking no greaves and a flimsy shield. I don't know whether they were even relevant any more in our timeframe.

I did notice the variations in equipment in the previews/videos, but in general they were equivalent rather than better/poorer.