The Desire To Protect "Culture"

[HoreTore]

The leftist church that's why. Multiculturalism is a religion that accepts no doubt, saying anything else means excommunication.

So.....

Hardline capitalists are now part of the leftist church too....?

[Fragony]

So.....

Hardline capitalists are now part of the leftist church too....?

I thought you said unions.... ?

[HoreTore]

I thought you said unions.... ?

Employers union, the NHO.

In short, the opponent of the labour unions.

[Shibumi]

They probably want cheap labour.

But HoreTore, I said economists - not exployer union. I later specified national economists (I assumed people understood that first time around though).

So you are using apples to compare oranges.

[HoreTore]

Is there anything left that isn't a conspiracy to screw over the "common man"?

[Fragony]

Employers union, the NHO.

In short, the opponent of the labour unions.

That's the trading union, there is no employers union it doesn't exist. Cheap labour, good for them not for the economy. They get the few that get up before 12 and you get to feed the rest. A very conservative estimation is that multiculture has costed us 200.000.000.000 euro so far, a drain of 8.000.000.000 a year.

[HoreTore]

That's the trading union, there is no employers union it doesn't exist.

Ah, so that's why they call themselves "employers union"....? ("arbeidsgiverforening" in norwegian)

Anyway. I've only ever seen one comprehensive study on whether immigration adds more than it costs or not. And that study showed it on the whole added more than it costs. No, that's far from enough to draw conclusions, but drawing the conclusion that it costs more than it adds lacks even more basis in reality, and remains based solely on subjective feelings and opinions, not facts.

[Fragony]

Ah, so that's why they call themselves "employers union"....? ("arbeidsgiverforening" in norwegian)

Anyway. I've only ever seen one comprehensive study on whether immigration adds more than it costs or not. And that study showed it on the whole added more than it costs. No, that's far from enough to draw conclusions, but drawing the conclusion that it costs more than it adds lacks even more basis in reality, and remains based solely on subjective feelings and opinions, not facts.

They call themselves the employers association.

And we do do these studies here, and no there is no benefit it are billions that are leeched, 8 billion a year in fact. Gone. 8.000.000.000/15.000.000= WAY too much as it isn't exactly an enrichment as people from 100% white neighbourhoods demand you to know it is. If you don't know there is only one culture and it's multi watch your back

If a fellow Dutchie wants to correct me here's the place to do it

[insert total bull here]

[HoreTore]

100% white? The two classes I teach both have around 50% immigrants, and live in the kebab-capitol of Norway. In fact, a study that was done a few years ago(that I don't have atm, but I have referenced it here before), has shown that the parts of the country with the fewest immigrants are most hostile to immigraton, while the places with the most immigrants are the most positive. This fits nicely with the pro-immigration parties(Left and Socialist Left) having most of their support in urban areas(where most immigrants are found), and the right wingers(progress party) having lots of support in rural areas(where you won't find many immigrants).

And no benefit? Bah, they work and pay taxes, that is the benefit. What the only study I have ever seen found, was that immigrants contributed more in taxes than they recieved in benefits. Less than the rest of the population, sure, but still more than we spend on them.

[Tellos Athenaios]

They call themselves the employers association.

And we do do these studies here, and no there is no benefit it are billions that are leeched, 8 billion a year in fact.

I don't know where you get that figure from. The most an admittedly quick Google yields is a much more complex picture. An estimate by Pieter Lakeman of 5.9bn a year spent (but what about the money brought back in through tax revenues on stuff them immigrants buy for instance). OTOH there is apparently a 2003 study which claims a net loss of 43K over the lifetime of an immigrant. Non native Dutch make up about 20% of the population, so assuming this is what the figure refers to and applying a generous life time expectancy of about 74 years we get for a generous population estimate of 17M: 0.20 * (€43*10^3*17*10^6)/ 74 = €2.0*10^9 = €2.0bn per year. Or about one Icesave.