V&V OOC/Signup Thread I

[Ignoramus]

Hey guys, sorry for my relative inactivity of late. Uni's been quite busy, but I hope to keep on top of things from now on.

[Zim]

No harm. I believe Merode is currently marching north towards Brandenburg.

Hey guys, sorry for my relative inactivity of late. Uni's been quite busy, but I hope to keep on top of things from now on.

[The Celtic Viking]

Well, the Margrave requested that he should move to Prague, i.e. Bohemia, but it's possible that he never got the message (I might have missed sending the PM). In any case, the request is now obsolete, as I had planned that he should lead an army from there into Poland, which he now can't do, thank you very much mr Pope.

[_Tristan_]

EDIT: here it is

The Prinz and his army enters the city of Genoa and declares war on Lothar Zirn, forcing him to fight for his life.

Not to be nitpicking, but I think this violates rule 7.1 : the declaration of war has to be made before taking the save... But nevermind...

[Zim]

Good eye. I've been rereading the charter and am still amazed how easily I miss things on the earlier readings.

Although, using the same "does it make sense IC test" for the rules as has been used earlier this turn, there's no reason someone might not hide their hostilities until after entering a city and then start fighting in the streets to depose a rebel.

6.11, 6.12., now 7.1. It's been a rough turn for the Charter. Makes me wonder how active this thread and/or the Diet one would be if PK were still around. I recall he was quite passionate when it came to rules disputes.

[_Tristan_]

And to keep it IC, do you believe Lothar fool enough to let someone he just wronged with his whole army through his gates ?

And I find myself wondering at times if I'm not suffering from PK-possession...

It may have been better if all this had been kept IC, it would have provided some much needed heated debate in the Diet

[Zim]

Or that the Prinz would be fool enough to watch you march into Milan and then back out after warning him?

I think PK might have been more antiloophole, or maybe it changed depending on how reasonable he thought the loophole was. I remember my avatar's namesake the original von Essen. From nervous youngster to lawyer in the span of a couple posts.

One way or another Diet style threads were definately always interesting with him around...

I disagree in that we're running into some major OOC issues, with players feeling cheated rather than just their characters. With have a system where certain rules count but others only do if we enforce them in game, but they're not really distinguished in the rule set so we don't know which is which. Almost everything is stated as if absolute.

My examples of how the Prinz could have walked into Milan before declaring war or Elberhard just bribing and seizing troops lent to him make just as much sense as Zirn's flouting of multiple rules for IC reasons (and use similar logic of what might be "reasonable" IC). But, really, people can come up with IC counter arguments to all of those (and against the counter arguments) forever. It wouldn't make for a stable or fun game. If some rules aren't really rules we need to have at least some vague idea of which are which and not guess which will be ignored to our disadvantage.

If Cecil decides everything Zirn has done is fine I'll be aggravated but I'll at least be happy if we get some clarification on the rules, rather than having anyone think certain characters are bound by rules and others aren't.

And to keep it IC, do you believe Lothar fool enough to let someone he just wronged with his whole army through his gates ?

And I find myself wondering at times if I'm not suffering from PK-possession...

It may have been better if all this had been kept IC, it would have provided some much needed heated debate in the Diet