Askthepizzaguy Mafia II: The Revengening [Concluded]

[El Barto]

I read ACIN's PM, and the general gist of is was that while he admits to being intentionally scummy in previous games, this game he is trying to reverse the trend (unless I misunderstood). I don't see why this would deter me, honestly. If he's not actively trying to be scummy like in the past, then he's being genuinely scummy.

Apparently acin is like me, the unscummier he appears then the scummier he really is?

[a completely inoffensive name]

I read ACIN's PM, and the general gist of is was that while he admits to being intentionally scummy in previous games, this game he is trying to reverse the trend (unless I misunderstood). I don't see why this would deter me, honestly. If he's not actively trying to be scummy like in the past, then he's being genuinely scummy.

Well, I understand. It's WIFOM. At this point there is nothing that would convince you otherwise than an illegal role reveal. What I said was true, and I am sticking by it. I am going to participate in a mafia game and have a discussion with people, even if it is just for a short while.

How here is what I think which I have been working on since late monday.
Bet: 19 credits on Civplayah
Not having credits to steal when you are supposed to be inactive is more proof of "scummyness" imo than of anything else that has been said in this thread. I think this is crucial evidence and as of right now I trust MRD with his word.

More over, Chaotix had his credits stolen. Early on in the first round I believe there was pressure on him to be lynched. Something is a bit fishy about those two events imo. MRD suggested in post#369 that it is possible that someone might be stealing credits to fuel more paid vigilante kills. If this is the case, then there might be no connection between Chaotic being pressured and him having his credits stolen soon after.

The Earthling-MRD text war seems nothing more to me than two townies both innocent just arguing over some misinterpreted posts. I don't think there is anything there.

shlin28 had his item stolen as shown in post #524. If I remember correctly it was the Puffy Shirt which gives a 10% bulletproof benefit. The question I pose to ATPG is this:
If someone were to try to kill someone with retaliation ability, would this puffy shirt benefit give an added defense to a possible retaliation strike?
We have already seen a serial killer and one of the chaotic members killed by retaliation, it is probably one of the more powerful tools against the chaotic/anti-town forces. I have a feeling that there might be a killer out there stealing credits and items to protect themselves in the long run against possible retaliations.

Now a serial killer would not have any money. This person would also probably be laying low so they don't attract attention. The less someone talks about the serial killer, the more safe he/she probably feels. At least, I don't recall any serial killers from previous games that were very talkative in the thread.

Who is out of credits? civplayah is. Who is supposedly "inactive?" civplayah is. I think with the info that I have written down, it is the best shot.

I will say however, that I am not 100% sure on this. If civplayah really is inactive, his credits could be gone precisely because the serial killer/chaotic member stole them from him and figured he would not tell anyone about the missing credits because civplayah really is away right now.

Those are my thoughts over the past day. What do you guys think?

[B-Wing]

I would suggest that if I get it I'd be revealing the results [of the scans] to the town at large, though you have yet to do so, it would be a nice townie thing to do.

[...]

I'd especially recommend that members of the following factions come forward - the Monty Python faction, the Bizarro faction, and the Evil faction.

[...]

But the rest of us, really need to organize on an anti-chaotic agenda.

Interesting suggestions. So you think it would be in the best interest of the town for all those of us performing faction scans to reveal our results? I'm pretty undecided on the matter. I certainly don't think it's advisable for anyone to reveal their roles at this point, especially those belonging to factions who are nearly wiped out. As I've said before, it seems to me that the best thing for townie players to do right now is look out for their own faction. We've got no way to tell who the chaotics are. They have cover roles. So even if someone does faction scan them, they're going to get misleading results. Even if you could faction scan every single player in this game right now, you'd be no closer to figuring out who's the scum.

So I don't see the logic in revealing information about ourselves this early in the game. The theme of this game is that we're all evil characters anyway; some of us are just less trustworthy than others. So I say stick to your factions if you want to win.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If someone were to try to kill someone with retaliation ability, would this puffy shirt benefit give an added defense to a possible retaliation strike?

Nope. A retaliation is blow-back from one's own offensive maneuver, blow-back which is unaffected by bus driver, protection, and bulletproof.

Also note, the retaliation strike does not trigger a retaliation strike. In other words, if a kill fails, and it triggers a retaliation anyway, and that retaliation fails, there will be no third volley even if the attacker has a retaliation item of his or her own.

Retaliation is an effect which is immune to most other effects. One might consider the name of the game is "The Revengening" for a reason.

[thefluffyone93]

Well, the most reasonable evidence points to Civplayah, so....
Bet: 7 credits on Civplayah

[a completely inoffensive name]

Nope. A retaliation is blow-back from one's own offensive maneuver, blow-back which is unaffected by bus driver, protection, and bulletproof.

Also note, the retaliation strike does not trigger a retaliation strike. In other words, if a kill fails, and it triggers a retaliation anyway, and that retaliation fails, there will be no third volley even if the attacker has a retaliation item of his or her own.

Retaliation is an effect which is immune to most other effects. One might consider the name of the game is "The Revengening" for a reason.

cool my hypothesis just got busted before a discussion.

[Jolt]

I didn't massacre anyone. What I did do, however, was attempt to steal credits from CivPlayah, but he didn't have any credits to steal, despite saying he is not actively playing. I chose him because if he was supposedly inactive, and therefore he would likely have a full 100 credits. The action did not cost me any credits because there was nothing to steal. Inactive players don't have empty pockets. I wasted a purchased action, and my crappy free action got me a whole lot of nothing.

I am strongly considering voting Civplayah the fake lurker.

I am also interested in this alleged Middle Eastern Mafia and trying to determine if this is a joke. Then someone else brings up Star Trek and Star Wars Mafia. I'm curious how all these scans are going since none have been made public, although I am sure people are talkingin private.

I will do my item votes later, based on the vote tallies and who I want and dont want to have stuff.

No credits?

Fold; Bet: 10 credits on civplayah

This is such an extremely strange revelation that if he's a regular townie, we'll have to assume you are up to something, MRD, to be making that up.

If he's Chaotic or something else, then well done.

[Beefy187]

Interesting suggestions. So you think it would be in the best interest of the town for all those of us performing faction scans to reveal our results? I'm pretty undecided on the matter. I certainly don't think it's advisable for anyone to reveal their roles at this point, especially those belonging to factions who are nearly wiped out. As I've said before, it seems to me that the best thing for townie players to do right now is look out for their own faction. We've got no way to tell who the chaotics are. They have cover roles. So even if someone does faction scan them, they're going to get misleading results. Even if you could faction scan every single player in this game right now, you'd be no closer to figuring out who's the scum.

So I don't see the logic in revealing information about ourselves this early in the game. The theme of this game is that we're all evil characters anyway; some of us are just less trustworthy than others. So I say stick to your factions if you want to win.

I think it would be wiser to share results in this game.
There are items which makes players less likely to be attacked like the protection and retaliation related items.
There are already one killer dead from trying to attack.

Therefor we should reveal results if there are any. Pile up some items on them and proceed.

[Seon]

Well I'd agree Seon you have been more pro-townie since you died than ByzantineKnight, whose every suggestion is a complete contradiction to rational townie goals.

Glad to see that somebody appreciates my presence.

Pro-tip: Seon = Chaotic. Ignore everything he says

Slander and lies! I am pure in my mind against the chaotics as any other one of you. I want to help you people.

I didn't massacre anyone. What I did do, however, was attempt to steal credits from CivPlayah, but he didn't have any credits to steal, despite saying he is not actively playing. I chose him because if he was supposedly inactive, and therefore he would likely have a full 100 credits. The action did not cost me any credits because there was nothing to steal. Inactive players don't have empty pockets.

I am strongly considering voting Civplayah the fake lurker.

That reasoning is certainly imperfect considering the fact that there are dozens of people out there stealing valuable credits from each other. What if civplayah just got robbed? After all, if you thought to steal his credit, than others surely would have thought a similar thing. If I were you, I would fold your bet from civplayah right now and bet on somebody more suspiscious. Like Diamondeye and El Barto.

See, look when Diamondeye wants somebody to gag Earthling every night. See what he's doing? He's trying to post what everyone can agree to so that he passes by the radar easier. Classic DE scum behavior.

Oh and look at El Barto and his sarcasm filled fluff posts! He's just trying to be seen so that he gets by under everyone's radar.

Yeah. Since we only have around 24 hours left, we should vote them off with maximum wager right now. We can't let them get away because that would only serve for them to completely pass by the radar tomorrow. Together, we can achieve victory.

[ByzantineKnight]

Well I'd agree Seon you have been more pro-townie since you died than ByzantineKnight, whose every suggestion is a complete contradiction to rational townie goals and strategy.

How exactly?

[Romanic]

I didn't massacre anyone. What I did do, however, was attempt to steal credits from CivPlayah, but he didn't have any credits to steal, despite saying he is not actively playing. I chose him because if he was supposedly inactive, and therefore he would likely have a full 100 credits. The action did not cost me any credits because there was nothing to steal. Inactive players don't have empty pockets. I wasted a purchased action, and my crappy free action got me a whole lot of nothing.

I am strongly considering voting Civplayah the fake lurker.

I am also interested in this alleged Middle Eastern Mafia and trying to determine if this is a joke. Then someone else brings up Star Trek and Star Wars Mafia. I'm curious how all these scans are going since none have been made public, although I am sure people are talkingin private.

I will do my item votes later, based on the vote tallies and who I want and dont want to have stuff.

Are you sure about all this? That civplayah didn't have any credits? That's odd because he would have to have spent ALL is credits last night, to the last credits... However his previous votes were:

Day 1 - no vote - lost 1 credit.
Day 2 - no vote - lost 1 credit.

And his income would have been 20 credits, thus leaving him with 100 starting credits + 18 others = 118. Explain to me how you can spend exactly 118 credits in two nights actions? It's impossible.

I cannot find any reasonable explanation for civplayah having exactly 0 credit when you tried to steal him. Can you?

Even if he had 8 credits left, you would have stolen them all, on a successful attempt of stealing more.

Also, if anything, other players will also have tried to steal his credits, for being inactive, just like you did, and to me that's a better explanation for him having no, or only a few credits, than him spending it all on night actions.

And there's this, his only post in the game:

Please replace me. :(

I'm so sorry-- I don't check this forum enough.

I'll be damned if this looks like a mafia role.

Very poor case on civplayah. I'm wondering if you even thought about all this. Clearly you didn't check his post to validate your case.

When you tried to steal civplayah, did you get a confirmation that he had NO credit? Could it be a failed attempt?

Honestly I'm not sure if I believe your failed attempt. I'm going to confirm with ATPG if income credits are given AFTER night actions, and if they are, it means you are possibly lying because civplayah should have had at least 9 credits on him when you tried to pickpocket him (10 from income, -1 from not voting, if he ended yesterday with 0 credits, for whatever reason).

[El Barto]

Oh and look at El Barto and his sarcasm filled fluff posts! He's just trying to be seen so that he gets by under everyone's radar.

Pah. You people already know I'm scummy every single game.

[Choxorn]

I shall now engage in shameless backscratching:

Fireball to Renata
Wolfen Fighter to DiY
Custom Desert Eagle to Zack
Porcupine Quills to Believer
Red Shell to Beefy

[El Barto]

*cofcoflampshadingcofcof*

[Bow-wow-wow]

Bow-wow-wow, you're not getting that scanner item on such dubious reasoning. It also directly contradicts the notion some people have to not let people have duplicates of any items and combine them, though I don't personally agree with that either. I would suggest that if I get it I'd be revealing the results to the town at large, though you have yet to do so, it would be a nice townie thing to do.

Well I don't really know if it is legal to reveal other peoples' roles first of all. Second of all, the person I found was mafia, not chaotic so there isn't any real need to reveal hs/her role. Third of all, If I reveal his role, people will come after him to kill him which I don't want because hes not chaotic.

If I find anybody chaotic, I will let you all know.

[Romanic]

Depends on the prespective. As seen last day, B_Ray was getting heat for voting maximum credits to lynch a townie.

As there is currently no major suspect or groups of suspects that sparks my attention or the town's attention for that matter, why will I needlessly waste valuable credits that I may well need them later on? As such, how is voting 1 credit scummy?

EDIT: And since whoever voted for Subotan voted him, as other people are being voted, and the response was Romanic's maximum voting for him, Romanic's reaction seemed quite odd and extreme.

Unlike standard mafia games, in this one we can decide how many credits to place on someone. It's a good idea to put a lot if you want to pressure someone. A bet of a few credits won't make someone flinch as much as pushing him hard. It's not extreme. On the contrary it's a good strategy, even if you don't intend to keep your chips there in the end (your target doesn't know that).

[Visor]

Bet: 1 credit on.......... Major Robert dump

Comp is dead so don't really like the idea of typing item votes out to people cause it will take ages. If I have time to waste, tonight I shall do so.

And I will respond to god emperor as well.

[Ironside]

Well I don't really know if it is legal to reveal other peoples' roles first of all. Second of all, the person I found was mafia, not chaotic so there isn't any real need to reveal hs/her role. Third of all, If I reveal his role, people will come after him to kill him which I don't want because hes not chaotic.

If I find anybody chaotic, I will let you all know.

It's legal. You cannot hint at your role in any way in private that's all. You can say whatever you want (even the truth) about others though.

Basically getting a second scanner gives you 100% detective scanning instead of 90%, when gotten that abillity for free (needs two payed scans). Or in short, combing scanning items is about the most useless item move you can make in the game.

About Civplayah, he's been stolen dry. And there has to be an order of steals, where MRD was second or later this night, to explain why he stole nothing. Romanic has already shown that he can't have been losing all money doing actions. And the chaotics got money by themself (presumably by the same system as the rest of us), since they can win by having most money. And I doubt they need to pay money to kill, thus it's very low odds that they need to go low on money.

[Death is yonder]

GE and I were talking about suspects just prior to those posts, DiY. He didn't seem un-townie to me.



What does this have to do with anything?



Shlin having a bullet-proof item stolen from him is evidence that he might need retaliatory items? What does one have to do with the other?

Alright, just that it seemed like a rather spontaneous latch on once he was pressured and an alternative candidate popped up.

It doesn't really have to do with anything related to GE, just that I commented that shlin was most likely stolen from as he has something that was bulletproof (don't need to die to retaliate so that's good for general survival) and moreover his item stood out compared to the tons of retaliation items (which must have seemed to whoever who wanted to steal it that it would be easier to obtain retaliation items via legitimate/non shady means).

And on the last point I was referring generally to his pretty decent track record of scum hunting, IIRC on a quick skim he placed a fairly hefty vote on Seon in round 1 that tipped the scales at one point, and on round 2 or some other time, he went after Arpeg, both turned out to be scum. Plus his in thread behavior didn't really raise any alarm bells so that's what I meant by being pretty comfortable in giving him retaliation items.

Although Renata has replied to parts of your post DiY, I might give you a reply as well :)

It is true that I do not pay attention much attention to the vote on me... simply because there is nothing to reply to, imo. That I question Visorslash's post, is not related to the vote on me; I question it because it really catches my attention.
As for the vote on ACIN, as Renata says, it is based on some private talk about the bandwagon on her yesterday. [...]

Alright then I accept that

Fold;

Ok, so I actually wasn't silenced last night, just having some fun posting images but more important business needs attention. Also, as was just asked, someone also stole an item from me too, and in fact partly with that at least two people probably know my identity. If you're not a scum (chaotic or whatnot) you really need to both read what I'm saying today closely, and come talk to me. [...]

Odd post, especially the bolded section. And also the odd inquiry asking people "who aren't scum" to come look for him.

Still, I guess the wager on ACIN is worth exploring, especially now with civ_playah being proven to be incapable of spending all his credits, and not to mention asking to be replaced.

Bet 3 Credits: ACIN

[Visor]

Vote: Andross Oikonny's WOLFEN FIGHTER (FACTION SCANNING ITEM + 10% investigatory) to Believer.

Vote: Pocupiney's PORCUPINE QUILLS (10% defender item) to Believer.

Vote: Custom Desert Eagle to myself




Why is it you need to inform us of this? to me this seems like you feel the need to inform and convince people that you actually are an active townie

Ya what? I missed day one, night one and day two cause I was away. Just saying that I will be participating in the daytime. I haven't been active because of that absence. Usually when I am active I get lynched.

But yeah, I will be participating as well as I can.

[Kagemusha]

Renata. You are doing a great job in slipping away from spotlight.

[Renata]

It doesn't really have to do with anything related to GE, just that I commented that shlin was most likely stolen from as he has something that was bulletproof (don't need to die to retaliate so that's good for general survival) and moreover his item stood out compared to the tons of retaliation items (which must have seemed to whoever who wanted to steal it that it would be easier to obtain retaliation items via legitimate/non shady means).

OK, I understand.

And on the last point I was referring generally to his pretty decent track record of scum hunting, IIRC on a quick skim he placed a fairly hefty vote on Seon in round 1 that tipped the scales at one point, and on round 2 or some other time, he went after Arpeg, both turned out to be scum. Plus his in thread behavior didn't really raise any alarm bells so that's what I meant by being pretty comfortable in giving him retaliation items.

That's not just pretty decent, that's excellent, and I agree with you.

[Beskar]

I got a confession, I am a super duper investigator which can see into your souls and read your naughty little secret abilities!

I also found out Renata's secret ability is "Alluring Avatar", where by males all over the forum send her naughty pm's and leave messages on her wall.

On a related note, Renata, will you marry me?

[Renata]

That depends. Am I still allowed to wear white after all those naughty PMs?

[Chaotix]

Beskar, I love you in this game.

You've got that awesome "don't give a " attitude that always makes things more fun.

[El Barto]

I also found out Renata's secret ability is "Alluring Avatar", where by males all over the forum send her naughty pm's and leave messages on her wall.

Alluring avatar? It's just a kitten.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Alluring avatar? It's just a kitten.

It's not just a kitten. It's the cutest kitten ever, and if you stare at it long enough, you lose your soul.

[Jolt]

Unlike standard mafia games, in this one we can decide how many credits to place on someone. It's a good idea to put a lot if you want to pressure someone. A bet of a few credits won't make someone flinch as much as pushing him hard. It's not extreme. On the contrary it's a good strategy, even if you don't intend to keep your chips there in the end (your target doesn't know that).

Your rationale for maximum voting, however, is off. Why pressure someone who voted for Subotan? Is Subotan a confirmed innocent, so that you feel it is rightful to maximum vote someone who votes for Subotan? Why not maximum vote someone who is voting for MRD or Renata? Is it random after all? Or do you actually have a reason for pressuring?

[Askthepizzaguy]

classical_hero replaces El Barto who asked to be replaced due to being busy.


Classical_hero rejoins the game as classical_hero2 and his original character may no longer be revived.

[El Barto]

It's not just a kitten. It's the cutest kitten ever, and if you stare at it long enough, you lose your soul.

Nope, haven't lost my soul yet.

classical_hero replaces El Barto who asked to be replaced due to being busy.


Classical_hero rejoins the game as classical_hero2 and his original character may no longer be revived.

Au revoir, my dear scummers, then.