Askthepizzaguy Mafia II: The Revengening [Concluded]

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Bet 8 Credits: ACIN

I don't know, I don't trust you .

[Romanic]

As Renata pointed out:

We're Day 1, with 15 minutes before the deadline, the tally is:

18 Seon (CHAOTIC)
11 ByzantineKnight (Evil)
10 Capt Blackadder (Evil)
7 Earthling (unknown)
6 Subotan (unknown)

Then with 14 mins to go, Seon vote to save himself.

Fold.

Bet 10: CPT Blackadder

I'm just here for the credits. Such scum I am

Making it CB 20, Seon 18.

And with 4 minutes to go, Major Robert Dump does the same thing.

Fold.

Bet 10: CPT Blackadder

I'm just here for the credits. Such scum I am

Even correcting his wrong format 2 minutes later.

Fold.

Bet 10: CPT Blackadder
wrong format

Making it 30 CB, 18 Seon.

Fold. Bet 30 credits Major Robert Dump

Because:

1) I don't believe his story that civplayah would have no credits at all. I could figure a scenario, with civplayah being stolen early, and using all his remaining credits to buy a night action on N2, leaving no credits to be stolen from, but civplayah is inactive and asked to be replaced, thus it seems unlikely.

2) MRD voted with Seon on D1, when he was under pressure. Moreover he did it with 4 minutes to do, even correcting his format mistake two minutes later, meaning he was very (very very very!) interested in the Day 1 lynch.

3) The tally being CB 20, Seon 18, doesn't mean that MRD didn't have to place his vote to help his (possible) teammate. In fact this tally is harder to keep track of, and it's plausible that the mafia wouldn't know with certainty that Seon was not in danger anymore. MRD could have placed this vote in a hurry, being told that his format was wrong, and correcting it. Also there was still a possibility that CB would show and place a late vote also, another 10 on Seon, so they might have felt more credits on CB was necessary.

Bottom line, I cannot forgive MRD for helping a known felon on Day 1, specially this late in the round. The civplayah story is just the icing on the cake.

Come on, I need help, my 30 credits aren't enough to lynch him!

(the current tally is, I think, 39 civplayah, 37 acin, 35 Earthling, 32 Major Robert Dump)

[Romanic]

Scratch the above tally. Crosspost with robbie and warman.

And happy to see robbie betting 15 on MRD.

[Major Robert Dump]

Thats the worst case I have ever read. QWanting items voted to me is scummy? You are kidding, right? Can I have your items then?

Me not realizing the whole "cover role" for Chaos thing was because I didn't read the freaking directions properly.

I am curious why people are coming out in force once I bring up CivPlayah, a presumably inactive player. If he is not playing, why not lynch him?

And yes, Renata, thank you for pointinbg out the 1 to 4 credit ratio thing that I have pointed out before. You can't steal 2 credits from someone. It has to be 4, as in increments of 4, as in math, you guys should try it sometimes. So yes, it is possible for someone to have nothing to steal, because the definition of "nothing" is 3 or less.

day 1 end: 99 left
spend 25 night 1: 74
12 stolen night 1: 62
day 2 end: 61
night 2 spend 60: 1 left

There are multiple variations of the above. I'm not gonna spell it out for you people. And I'm still not saying CivPlayah is guilty. What is curious is that my idea tossing brings out the wolves.

[Zack]

If ACIN is asking to be replaced, I think that really indicates a frustrated townie more than anything. I haven't really been fair in my treatment of him, either. He's still a suspect, but not as strong as MRD.

Fold. Bet: 10 credits on MRD

Tally please? I would like to adjust my credit total to ensure MRD gets lynched.

[Romanic]

Don't put too much trust in this tally, I've been making mistakes with my local tallies in this game, but it should be close to this:

57 MRD (Earthling 1, Visorslash 1, robbiecon 15, Romanic 30, Zack 10)
39 civplayah (Chaotix 2, Crazed Rabbit 1, acin 19, fluffy 7, Jolt 10)
35 Earthling (Subotan 30, Bow-wow-wow 5)
30 acin (GE 8, Renata 1, Believer 5, Psychonaut 5, DIY 3, Warman 8)
24 Subotan (shlin 1, dcmort 5, DE 3, Ironside 2, Red_Spy 5, mythmonster 8)
5 Beskar (Skooma 5)
1 Chaotix (Beskar 1)


Please point out any error.

[thefluffyone93]

Meh.
This game wouldn't be so awesome without the gambling aspect.

Fold; Bet 7 on MRD

Although I do believe I just contradicted one of my previous posts....

[Zack]

Fold. Bet: 1 credit on MRD

Still got 5.5 hours.

[Romanic]

Your rationale for maximum voting, however, is off. Why pressure someone who voted for Subotan? Is Subotan a confirmed innocent, so that you feel it is rightful to maximum vote someone who votes for Subotan? Why not maximum vote someone who is voting for MRD or Renata? Is it random after all? Or do you actually have a reason for pressuring?

I don't see why it matters that dcmort is voting Subotan or Santa Claus. I'm still gonna land my vote on who I feel is scummy. I'm returning you the question: Why should I be max voting on someone who's been voting MRD or Renata (and not Subotan) ?

As for pressuring dcmort, yes I had reasons. He's been small posting, small betting, asking questions but not following up when the answer was given. Looks like scum behavior, doing enough to be active and appear helpful (asking question) but it could be a smoke cloud.

Not convinced by his reply, but I'm liking MRD more now.

[Romanic]

Fold. Bet: 1 credit on MRD

Still got 5.5 hours.

Not happy. If you think MRD is a good lynch candidate, you should bet more. He's shown that he will be around close to the deadline, so anything less than a 31 credits lead might not be enough to lynch him. Why are you removing your credits so early?

[Major Robert Dump]

I voted CB on day 1 because I thought I would win money. Blackadder was already dead, and I work late. I did not understand the rules. Just like I did not realize Chaos would have cover roles. It's really not that hard to make these mistakes, considering people still didn't understand the betting process by the end of day 2, which is clear from all the LOLZ WUT DO I DO AGAIN? posts

Whats even more amusing is that you are taking Day 1 voting demographics and making a case out of it, as if anyone knew who anyone else was. That, to me, is "typical" scummy (since you seem to know all the typical townie/mafia stereotypes)

And even more amusing than that is that none of this started until a bunch of math-challenged people who didn't read the rules (OMGZ ROMANIC DIDNT KNOW THE 1 TO 4 THEFT RATIO HE MUST BE CHAOTIC) got their panties in a wad because of this hypothesis with Civplayah, which I never even said was 100% true and I didn't even vote for the guy.

And even more amusing than the more amusing thing before, is that I get max credit votes. Max credit votes, so far in this game, have been 100% wrong. I think we have either found some Chaotics, or perhaps a faction that is still strong and in comms with one another and trying to snowball anyone they see as a threat. They especially see me as a threat since I will likley get the Butt X-ray

[robbiecon]

When I press the reply with quote, the multi-quoted quotes are still coming up. But that's 50 on MRD as it stands, what with Zack's changeover to 1 credit.

EDIT: And yes, I would prefer if he was outside of the reach of being able to save himself right now. I'm around for 2 hours at the most, to up the bet if needs be, but beyond that, it's up to you guys.

And fluffyone, if you just contradicted a previous post, and I ever have to analyze you, don't worry, I'll bring it up ;)

[Zack]

Not happy. If you think MRD is a good lynch candidate, you should bet more. He's shown that he will be around close to the deadline, so anything less than a 31 credits lead might not be enough to lynch him. Why are you removing your credits so early?

Don't worry, I will use my credits to ensure MRD has at least a 30 credit lead. I'm just anticipating vote changes.

[Jolt]

I don't see why it matters that dcmort is voting Subotan or Santa Claus. I'm still gonna land my vote on who I feel is scummy. I'm returning you the question: Why should I be max voting on someone who's been voting MRD or Renata (and not Subotan) ?

As for pressuring dcmort, yes I had reasons. He's been small posting, small betting, asking questions but not following up when the answer was given. Looks like scum behavior, doing enough to be active and appear helpful (asking question) but it could be a smoke cloud.

Not convinced by his reply, but I'm liking MRD more now.

Actually, you max voted for him, while asking why was he voting for Subotan. You weren't calling him out because of anything else, but rather why he voted for that specific individual. And now you reason that that wasn't actually why you max voted for him. Sorry, but something smells fishy here.

Not happy. If you think MRD is a good lynch candidate, you should bet more. He's shown that he will be around close to the deadline, so anything less than a 31 credits lead might not be enough to lynch him. Why are you removing your credits so early?

People aren't voting to make you happy. People are supposed to vote the credits they think they should. If they want to keep credits, then they should do that.

Everyone should vote big because you want them to (And because in the big picture, it would turn your max voting and potential max wasting credits into something common rather than sporadic, something with which the town that check for irregular behaviour in which mafia want to force a lynch). I'll have my eye on you.

[thefluffyone93]

And fluffyone, if you just contradicted a previous post, and I ever have to analyze you, don't worry, I'll bring it up ;)

Eh; its worth the gamble.

[Zack]

Eh; its worth the gamble.

Ba dum tish!

[Diamondeye]

Max credit votes, so far in this game, have been 100% wrong.

Well we've not caught anything by the lynch so that argument is really not too swell. But whatever.

[Romanic]

Actually, you max voted for him, while asking why was he voting for Subotan. You weren't calling him out because of anything else, but rather why he voted for that specific individual. And now you reason that that wasn't actually why you max voted for him. Sorry, but something smells fishy here.

Fair enough, I didn't lay my reasons to suspect dcmort in the game thread, but him voting Subotan was not why I did it. Asking why he was voting Subotan was a bonus.

I've told Renata in chat why I was voting dcmort yesterday. She can confirm, if it pleases you. It didn't have anything to do with Subotan.

People aren't voting to make you happy. People are supposed to vote the credits they think they should. If they want to keep credits, then they should do that.

Everyone should vote big because you want them to (And because in the big picture, it would turn your max voting and potential max wasting credits into something common rather than sporadic, something with which the town that check for irregular behaviour in which mafia want to force a lynch). I'll have my eye on you.

Commenting about someone's actions is fair game. Saying that I'm not happy that Zack withdrew his credits, is fair game. Not sure what's your point here. I'm not ordering people around, don't put words in my mouth.

And... "People aren't voting to make you happy" made me

[thefluffyone93]

I HATE CONTRADICTING MYSELF!!!!

Fold; Bet 7 on Romanic
All in seems so risky, even with all the "proof".

I say that because in the end, we only can speculate, and not prove anything.

[Major Robert Dump]

I really don't want to claim, but maybe if I did it would shut up Earthling at the same time.

They don't want me to have the butt X-Ray. They know they can't assassinate me because I kick the crap out of them if they try. They know that eventually all my bling and all my hoes gonna roll dirty up in that rear and go pop pop pop on the scrilla to the nilla and ain't no Chaos gonna stand in the way of the Evil revival.

[Seon]

You are all making a big mistake here. Seon would never dare risk his teammates like that.

[Believer]

You are all making a big mistake here. Seon would never dare risk his teammates like that.

Fold; 5 credits ACIN
Bet: 10 credits on MJD

You had me at mistake.

[Link]

I got robbed last night for 40 credits, so perhaps that where some of CPs money went. Seems unlikely he'd lose that much, but he is inactive so I see no reason to waste a lynch when there are better candidates.
Bet 2 credits on MRD.

[Link]

Nvm, I read the thread now. CP probably is lying about not playing, but seeing as he has no money, can't do anything right now anyway.

[autolycus]

I like this case on MRD
Bet: 10 credits on MRD

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Fold. Bet: 30 credits on civplayah

[Zack]

Fold. Bet: 30 credits on civplayah

What the????

If MRD is scum (I think he is now), so is Warman.

Fold. Bet: 15 credits on MRD

[Renata]

I don't really get much of robbie's particular additions to the case on MRD, but the posts themselves that he highlights do strike me as scummy (for mostly different reasons than he has, but that's not important.) I just want to point out one quote:

And what about the people who have barely posted, or in some cases, haven't posted at all? Why not vote for them? So far, all of my Day 1 suspicions were unfounded, and ther person I suspected of being innocent was, in fact, chaotic. I would say not/barely posting is far more suspicious than posting silly spam.

As I mentioned in my own summary, on day one MRD makes a comment somewhere in the neighborhood of Kagemusha and Byzantine Knight (both now dead and innocent) colluding against me and Seon. The implication here is the former two are scummy, the latter two innocent.

But in this day two quote that robbie found, it's just "the person I suspected of being innocent was actually scummy". Person, singular; I'm nowhere to be seen. That very much reinforces my suspicion that I was incidental to the comment from day one, the real point of it being to make Seon look unjustly persecuted; and the real point here to look as if his thinking Seon innocent was no big deal. It doesn't help that in this post MRD is referring to ACIN as being a bad vote target, someone I still have mixed feelings about.

Some of Romanic's points I want to argue against (I still am not convinced MRD is actually lying about civplayah's funds; and civplayah's non-replacement does bother me), but that's just being persnickety. Civplayah should be a vig target regardless, though.

@ Jolt -- yes, Romanic did bring up his case on dcmort to me in private before or right after casting his vote; I can't remember. dcmort's posts are in fact weak in just the way that Romanic says. Take that for what it's worth.

fold; bet 5 credits on MRD

I will not be around at the deadline.

[Renata]

What the heck, Warman?

How many votes does MRD have on civplayah right now?

I should be back one more time in about an hour.

[autolycus]

Renata can have the gag
I'd like the Rope
Beskar can have the shell