Askthepizzaguy Mafia II: The Revengening [Concluded]

[shlin28]

Earthling, you demands are really getting old now. I right now think that you are who you claim you are, but on what basis can you claim to be anti-chaotic? You desperately want others' details, but you are only willing to release tidbits about yourself... Surely you don't need to be so cautious, if you are as safe as you appear to be?

The only reason the bus driver item isn't also going to go to me is because I don't want it, I wouldn't have enough night ability slots.

Now based on what you said, one of your innate abilities is self-protection, but you other action slot is presumably taken up by an item or credits. The latter option is unrealistic so you must have an usable item. BUT you did state that a thief took your item last day phase, did you steal some item I wonder? You self-protection could be due to an item of course, but that leaves you with an innate ability that could be very dangerous... which is an even more dangerous possibility than the former.

If you really are a pro-town character, going around accusing people, actively trying to get others to reveal and soliciting information doesn't really help you. You need to GIVE before TAKING stuff. Can't you be upfront and detail what you can do, why it is EVIL and just how on Earth can we trust you with any information? There is very little distinction (on the surface) between a pro-town power role and an anti-town one, except for that the pro-town one actually wants the town to win and so would provide any information that he has...

PS: I also haven't forgotten the plan you suggested a few days ago, now that the opportunity has passed, can you elaborate on how you think a bus driver and you can give the town a victory?

PPS: I could be all wrong about this (comprehension of text-walls is not my strong suit), but I need some sort of conclusive answer from you after... what, 2 days of cryptic comments and demands?


Edit: Even MRD is giving details of his own actions! If a presumed scum can do it, so can Earthling!

To MRD, could you item be my super awesome but unfortunately stolen Tanooki suit that you got on N2?

[Askthepizzaguy]

With this:

Maybe you'll understand.

[thefluffyone93]

I had my bus driver item stolen.
And, if I remember correctly, didn't someone want another bus driver item to combine it?

[Believer]

The idea that both Renata and Earthling were silenced by two people with two Butt X-Rays that only have a 50% chance to hit is very much against the odds. Someone else has one, and since Arpegg was Chaotic, the other owner is probably Chaotic as well.

25% is "very much against the odds"?
I'd say it's fairly unlikely but vert far from impossible. You are grasping at straws, chaotic.

[Earthling]

Yes, the two slots would be self-protection and a scan if I was voted the scan item like I said. Without that and being low on credits I don't have a second thing to do. My plan yesterday was chiefly to become a reviver though getting yesterday's scan item could have been nice too. I would still have been hard to kill and then with bus driver or item support even more so, and a 40% reviver chance each night would have been great for the Innocents in general. But the sudden surprise declaration for no reason and that I couldn't anticipate that my teammate couldn't be revived and the loss of credits both from MRD's failed wagon and last night puts me well out of range of getting enough to purchase a revive that had to be scrapped.

I think you're misreading a lot of things is all, for instance I've hardly accused anyone and on nothing that's not public scummy behavior. Especially I don't want to go too far giving the scum public clues of who to kill and how, even though I've already soaked up two of their attacks. Except I do have one funny but completely honest thing to share. Ganondorf could have utterly destroyed me in one hit, kill through protection or whatever. I didn't know it was Ganondorf from the start, my role PM only hinted at some killer being out there, but then with the random luck of Ganondorf suddenly dying on a random attack it was clear it was supposed to be him.

edit - Arpegg was explicitly not chaotic, that's such a sad lie MRD. He was a serial killer, and without the host making it very clear there was some mistake and he should have also been called chaotic there's no reason to assume so. But then again you've known the whole time the whole deal about all the chaotics, no need to really address you anymore.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ok, after a nap, I've decided that the best way to handle the credit theft situation is as follows.


ANNOUNCEMENT


At some point I had stated that folks get their 10 income credits at dawn, for making it through another night phase.

However, all game long, whenever an opportunity appeared where someone could have had their credits stolen, those 10 income credits had been included, because although I intended that the last step in the night action process would be folks getting their income, I had been adding the income beforehand.

That was my mistake and it set a precedent (and therefore, to be fair, a by-rule game mechanic) that I had to follow. But, it has the potential to not only strip people of the ability to act at night, it also prevents them from voting, making them for most intents and purposes, dead. And, it severely retards their efforts to regain their credits because they go into the night with barely any to steal with.

Not only did it seem unfair on players, but it also contradicts how I said the game should work. Therefore, I've decided to address it and take care of it.

So, the following changes now take effect:

1. From now on, adding credits to your total will be the last thing I do, so everyone is guaranteed a minimum of 10 credits to start with, assuming they survive a night.
2. Everyone who has ended a night with less than 10 credits will have exactly the number of credits restored that puts them back at 10 for that night, but no more than that because even had I done things the proper way, any additional credits beyond that would have been stolen, if you'll remember.
3. Thieves who stole your credits will not be affected because it's not their mistake, it's mine. Some of those credits are already gone anyway. So, in effect, you have your cake and eat it too.

I trust this rule change, the reasons why it's warranted, and the solution I have come up with will be fair on all. If not, just remember, I am your lord and I can be unmerciful if I wanted to be.

[B-Wing]

What's the ticket price for this bandwagon? One credit? Then I'll hop aboard.
Bet: 1 credit on Major Robert Dump

Why's everybody want schlin28 to get the ice cream truck? Do you already have a bus driver item? I remember Chaotix said he does, but I haven't kept up very well. In any event, I think the fewer people have these, the better.
Vote: Ice Cream Truck to Chaotix

I want mah item back.....
*sniffle*

Aww, there there Fluffy. I don't want two items with activated abilities, so you can have this one.
Vote: Extra-Thick Glasses to Thefluffyone93

And now something for me. Cause you can never have too much retaliation.
Vote: Sword of Kahless to B_Ray2

[Earthling]

Yeah, some crossposts, I can readily reveal I had King Arthur's Shield stolen from me on Night Two. I'd ask again for the thief to step forward but they won't. In fact I think the thief and the attack that night are probably not from the same source, one or the other was the chaotics, but if the chaotics planned to kill me (and they surely would have thought they would succeed) the steal attempt is also redundant.

And I do have to agree the number of claimed thief attempts people are making now doesn't add up. It's an expensive purchase and unless there are several innate thieves with high chances of success every night we can't explain away like 3-4 steals a night. But of course no one is willing to reveal an item that may somehow hint at their faction because all you people want to lie and play factional games rather than fight the chaotics, right?

That also reminds me, Bow-wow-wow, do you feel like sharing some of your scan results maybe, you've had that item for a while and the scum didn't attack you for it after all. You could do that in private too though, just would be nice to know.

[Major Robert Dump]

25% is "very much against the odds"?
I'd say it's fairly unlikely but vert far from impossible. You are grasping at straws, chaotic.

You'll be grasping at straws as well as when you are strung up in the following days along with all the other Earthlink fanbois who called my supporters Chaotic by affiliation.

Also, You people have no idea who bus driver works. Read the hosts description again after night 2. I should be the last person to be telling you lot to read the rules.

And Earthling claiming that he was about to revive someone with credits (until the voting last round and th ehost replacing players)is completely bogus unless he is stealing massive cash every round, which I doubt he was succesfully doing because giant demon winged things arent's as sneaky as me, Rudolph. Yet another "victim" card played by Earthlink.

[God Emperor]

@ DiY I would imagine that the protector Renata speaks of is protecting Shlin already. I would also second what Renata says, it would be good if there were some people willing to become doctors. (not that the latter is specificly directed at you DiY)

@ Earthling... you really leave me wondering.. As Jolt says, you clearly lie in your posts, but you deflect the accusation with 'you haven't followed the thread closely enough then'.. So I started from the 'lying post' and read all your posts forward , from that point.. and my conclusion was that you never addressed the subject again. . So could please show me (us) , what it is that we have missed; to me it really seems like you really are caught in lies within lies.

[Crazed Rabbit]

I'll save my credits for Earthling tomorrow after we find MRD is evil and not chaotic.

CR

[Jolt]

I didn't lie about being silenced on Day Two and I'm still not lying. You should read the thread if you ignored several pages and need to catch up.

Actually it was on Night 2. And I don't see the point in faking being silenced. Did you innavertedly send a PM to someone you shouldn't have if you were silenced? 'Fun' excuse doesn't stick on me.

And as a matter of fact, my survival was equivalent to a self-defense action that any player anywhere could perform through purchase with credits, so you don't appear to understand how flavor in a write-up works.

See, now I know you are lying. Otherwise the write-up wouldn't be indicative of an item:

Nonchalantly, the man in black armor returned to guarding the bridge. A faint glow of a magical shield surrounded the man in black armor.

your attempts to downplay the writeups and discredit me are odd and scummy. Reconsider what you are saying if you meant to say something different.

....Nah, something's definitely up with you. You are constantly contradicting yourself. I am the one basing myself on the write-up (And not downplaying it.), with the kill mode from Jedi fellow. And now you fail to mention the item in the write-up and say it is equivalent of any action only based on credits done by any player (Item action is not the same thing as credit action).

If MRD is a townie then you must surely die.

[shlin28]

And I do have to agree the number of claimed thief attempts people are making now doesn't add up. It's an expensive purchase and unless there are several innate thieves with high chances of success every night we can't explain away like 3-4 steals a night. But of course no one is willing to reveal an item that may somehow hint at their faction because all you people want to lie and play factional games rather than fight the chaotics, right?

I would disagree. assuming innate abilities are distributed evenly, there would be 4.16 people in the game with free stealing skills. Combined with people paying to steal items... 2 or 3 thefts per night phase would not be unusual!

Also, how you went from no-one spoke up to no-one wants to fight chaotics is beyond me... If that is correct, since I claimed a theft had occurred before anyone else, it would mean that you should trust me implicitly!

[Earthling]

Yes, I stole a chunk of credits from Csargo a couple of nights ago, and already discussed this with trustworthy people in private. I've since had credits stolen from me and with extra defense purchased last night I'm rather low though. And yes, I was planning a revive attempt and the resurrection of classical_hero into a new role even with that known both screwed me over and was unexpected. As I said before I would like to hear from all of the resurrected dead players about their new roles and why they are so important just in general, it's not a pleasant situation.

Tell me what you thought I lied about, I lied about maybe one real thing in public that's already been addressed but I'll answer, otherwise you're the ones wasting time with vague assertions. Joke posts don't count, no one has time to address complete pointlessness, pointing to a post like fluffy posting images or me or anyone else doing the same is a waste of time.

[Major Robert Dump]

The whole reason Earthlink started attacking me early on was my ideas that the cards numbers may have reason by faction and that there were up to 8 people per faction. This means that he knew that was not true, and as it turns out he was right. Yet, he accused me of being Chaotic for suggesting these things, because he states I should have known better as an evil.

How would I know? And how would he know how many were in each faction? I had no idea who my faction mates or anyone else was. This means he knew who his were, thorugh wahetever means. And this entire time he has managed to destroy and break this towns bank all due to either petty faction concerns or being chaotic, or both.

[Earthling]

look, if you want me to address completely pointless and really foolish posts and point out why they are wrong I will. But you all need to say that and be willing to apologize/commit/whatever when you realize how wrong you are. Otherwise there's no need wasting time on people who don't bother or don't know how or at least are pretending because they are scummy not to read. There's no way I can argue with someone who refuses to listen to reason on something like reading a writeup, when their interpretation is not true and I know it's not, there was no item of my involved.

[Major Robert Dump]

I have a stealing bonus. It was integral to the game my character came from.

Furthermore, just because someone has been stolen from does not make them innocent in the least, and I doubt the item that was taken will prove innocent/chaotic or otherwise, especially if it was combined to make a new item. Thiefs do not know anything about their target offhand unless they have another item/skill they use the turn before.

[B-Wing]

I was roleblocked last night. I did not bother to use the Butt X-Ray because I needed to defend and I wanted to try to steal something from someone responsible for my demise. Both failed for unknown reasons, which means I was roleblocked.

Ha! I attempted to roleblock you last night, but failed. I was hoping it would turn out to be my undiscovered talent. But I'm glad someone succeeded.

To MRD, could you item be my super awesome but unfortunately stolen Tanooki suit that you got on N2?

You had a Tanooki Suit!? I'm very jealous. That was one of my favorite Mario 3 power-ups. It was so rare, cool, and strange. Do you mind sharing what power it granted (in this game, I mean)? I'm guessing it would be an activated self-defense ability, since that's what it allows you to do in SMB3. Well, it lets you fly too, but so does the Power Leaf / Racoon Suit, and I don't see any action corresponding with flying in this game.

[Earthling]

So there's been this flurry of crossposts yet no one was interested to respond, I'm serious if you want me to address something, now is a fine time. I will go point by point and address whatever you want, even the really, really, really incompetent things and utter lies which almost everything is. But this is likely to cause others who could read things on their own to complain about spamming up the thread or whatever. So we need to have this signed onto by the people who think they don't understand something and the point needs addressing so others are not complaining it's my fault for spamming the thread, because my view is that nothing more needs to be said to a reasonable person who is paying attention, I'd only do this for the benefit of the lazy/scum-pretenders. Any complaints about spamming the thread or whatever would be the fault of the person who lied or didn't understand what they were reading.

[thefluffyone93]

Aww, there there Fluffy. I don't want two items with activated abilities, so you can have this one.
Vote: Extra-Thick Glasses to Thefluffyone93

And now something for me. Cause you can never have too much retaliation.
Vote: Sword of Kahless to B_Ray2

Vote: Extra-Thick Glasses to Thefluffyone93
Vote: Sword of Kahless to B_Ray2

I'll save my credits for Earthling tomorrow after we find MRD is evil and not chaotic.

CR

THIS.

[Chaotix]

Vote: ICE CREAM TRUCK to myself
Vote: SWORD OF KAHLESS to Beskar

All this talking about nothing in particular is confusing me.

Bet: 2 credits on Major Robert Dump for those shenanigans yesterday. Also, I want your Butt X-Ray.

[Chaotix]

Forgot this.

Vote: EXTRA-THICK GLASSES to Fluffy

[thefluffyone93]

Forgot this.

Vote: EXTRA-THICK GLASSES to Fluffy

[Earthling]

Right, so people chickened out and didn't want to have their random false statements discussed. That's ok, saves me time, just wanted to make that clear. I will respond to a few individual points but don't ask me to go responding to nonsense again if you weren't willing this time.

shlin is plausibly asking reasonable questions honestly and not just antagonizing me because he's also a scum, so I'll answer him first. I did not mean to say that having an item stolen made someone Innocent (evil) for sure - I don't think I did say anything close to that but if someone read it that way then don't. What I DID say was that claiming your item(s) could be a very good clue to your faction identity and people are not doing that out of cowardice. And just like with night attacks I am suspicious many people are lying about the items they supposedly had or had stolen. I believed I've answered all that needs to be said about my item, I don't think a thief will come forward but it's the truth, and it's also why I said yesterday someone clearly would know my identity already as they stole King Arthur's Shield.

Jolt, go ahead and pester the host if you think it's necessary to specifically insert anywhere into writeups any explanation of something being an ability or item. Otherwise, a non-issue, you're just reading flavor text wrong and you should realize that. The fact is I'm right, me defending myself was the result of an ability not an item and that's the end of the matter, however your position that "I decided the writeup should be read this way so derka dur" is completely unfalsifiable if you just keep saying that in thread.

MRD - everybody should be ignoring your every post right now, I'll say that again, but one last time I'll respond to you out of fairness. Never once was I, Earthling, involved with your random claims about how you think your card number means you are something. I criticized you once, for posting a couple days back, that the cards were items you wanted to collect and make a poker hand, for being distracting and clearly wrong and not reading the game rules. I have never since commented on your random theories about how a card makes you something and it's a lie for you to claim I did say anything like that.

fluffy and CR - I think you should go further and publicly declare that if at any point I die and I'm just a regular evil mafia, the rest of the town should turn on you and kill you immediately. Your case against me being nothing other than "what MRD says" is really sad. If you think you have an actual case, come up with a verifiable in-game reason other than "what you thought someone said" and claim it, lynching based on the last guy's say-so is a universally horrible method of lynching. Especially as everyone knows the case on MRD is not because of me at all, it's because of him supporting the chaotic Seon and lying publicly about tons of stuff. Vote for me today instead of MRD if you think that is the wise choice and do it openly, don't hide and wait to switch your vote at the last second either. Otherwise everybody knows this is a really scummy tactic, suggesting that somebody has to die next in the next day's lynch for no reason except supposed revenge, and you know you're using this tactic too.

@ Earthling... you really leave me wondering.. As Jolt says, you clearly lie in your posts, but you deflect the accusation with 'you haven't followed the thread closely enough then'.. So I started from the 'lying post' and read all your posts forward , from that point.. and my conclusion was that you never addressed the subject again.

As I said before this is so completely pointless it's really not worth addressing but since someone other than Jolt is batting it around I'll add it in just because. I will take it to understand that you read Jolt's post and kinda just wanted to follow along with what Jolt said without really thinking about it so this isn't your fault. Anyway:

I claimed I was silenced on Day Two - I was, can't "prove prove" that but this was discussed extensively. Nothing Jolt nor anyone else said is a serious discussion of this, except MRD's general squealing around, but it looks like both me and Renata did end up silenced that day, probably another scum besides Arpegg.
Then, as for what Jolt just simply did not read right, there's no possible way I was "silenced" on Night Two, I was posting in the thread on Night Two. Anyone who thought they read something that way should realize immediately how pathetic that is.
On Day Three, I posted a picture of Ditto the pokemon as a joke and the "stop right there, criminal scum" videogame guy after all the talk of people trying to silence me and then a little later said "nah, I can talk today." That's the end of this story, you could call that little part a lie but it's so obviously a joke. Jolt clearly was not paying attention at all and while I don't expect an apology for this mess, it should be self-evident to anyone.

[Greyblades]

So, you're that Black Knight? You seem pretty powerful. The one who attacked you was most likely a Jedi Knight/Master, so for you to have a glow and knock out a Jedi Knight in one blow means you're something out of the ordinary. Or you have one of those uber defence skills.

I'm not the Black knight, but I wish I was, I've just got a bullet-proof ability that was activated by the attempt last night. I'm not fully sure it was a kill attempt though; my results just said someone tried to attack me so it could have been some sort of roleblock ability that includes knocking me out or something.

[thefluffyone93]

In order to lighten up the mood.

[Choxorn]

OMGz Rudolph in a Mafia Game is a liar!! The horror! The horror! I must not have paid attention in church! Imagine someone lying to strangers who all may secretly be the true enemy! I should have revealed before the game even started! Here's a hint: go read The Night Santa Went Crazy and you will see I am behaving perfectly normal: AS A LIAR AND A THIEF

I got into no fights. Either no one attacked me because they thought everyone else would, or people defended me. I self defended last night and tried to steal from Zack because he had uber retatliation items. I knew he did because he got a ret item last turn after requesting, which meant he probably already had one and wanted to combine them.

I am done defending myself. I have revealed. I will not tell you people every last bit of truth about me -- like my items and my personal goals -- because I do have some shred of dignity left. Now I just act bizarre and spam the thread. This is where the town loses the game, as all who led the charge against me turn on each other. Gratz!

MRD, you have not eaten my shorts yet. Please commence with the eating.

[Romanic]

The tally is MRD 125, everyone else zero.

I suggest that we don't raise another bandwagon today, as it is clear this situation will repeat itself every day until the Major is lynched. Town would be losing a lot of credits if players who think MRD is innocent, always push a lot of credits on an alternative.

Bet 5 credits on Major Robert Dump

[Earthling]

I agree completely, that sounds right. As he has more than proven his ability and intent to get around right before the closing bell, him and a couple of others he could scrounge up could work a 120 credit swing with the 40 credit maximum today, a fourth person makes that 160, so I think we want to be safely over 160 credits just in case. That would definitely mean no intermediate wagons on top of which those last minutes credits could ride. Overall this is just 5-6 credits per person though so if everybody is in for a fair stake nobody individually loses too much - but then again I don't think we lose anything at all, in fact some people betting more might hope to make larger gains on him coming up chaotic though not quite sure how that works and not asking anyone to go overboard.

[dcmort93]

Unless someone comes up with a really compelling reason for me to change my mind I'll Bet 5 credits on MRD