Askthepizzaguy Mafia II: The Revengening [Concluded]

[Earthling]

And it's great that MRD doesn't get conjunctions but also wholly irrelevant. I'm serious about one thing, whatever happens in the next Day or two here - I'd like at least one person who wants to try to kill or lynch me to do so for a reason that isn't summed up by they didn't know how to read, (or of course did but are lying scum). So far we have not reading the writeup or declaring the thread is too long (which is really thanks to MRD and others) and not bothering to read anything at all being the chief reasons of two people against me. I get that nobody wants to actually contest my roleclaim, ability, item I mentioned, whatever because when proven wrong they would face backlash against their scumminess, but at least something a little better such as admitting to solely wanting me dead because of faction.

edit - and my vassal Diamondeye wanting me dead for metagame revenge for those times I successfully went after him when he was scum is not relevant to this game but I'll accept that reason too.

[Major Robert Dump]

MY GOD PEOPLE

Bus drivers don't affect actions, they affect "effects."

They don't affect the action. If I try to kill someone and I get busdrivered with Snuffy, we don't switch targets or actions. We switch stats. So if Snuffy is good at theft and I am good at murder, I will now lose my murder bonus for a theft bonus and vice versa. I wont kill Snuffys theft Target and Snuffy won't steal from my vig target, the actions will stay the same but with perverted chances.

The idea that someones target for a vig or other action will get switched to another player is completely wrong. You want to use BD to take away a bonus or add a bonus. It is a conter to items and talents, not actions

BTW those of you who did not know something this obvious are obviously misleading the town or you did not get the same PM as the rest of us therefore: CHAOTIC

[shlin28]

MY GOD PEOPLE

Bus drivers don't affect actions, they affect "effects."

They don't affect the action. If I try to kill someone and I get busdrivered with Snuffy, we don't switch targets or actions. We switch stats. So if Snuffy is good at theft and I am good at murder, I will now lose my murder bonus for a theft bonus and vice versa. I wont kill Snuffys theft Target and Snuffy won't steal from my vig target, the actions will stay the same but with perverted chances.

The idea that someones target for a vig or other action will get switched to another player is completely wrong. You want to use BD to take away a bonus or add a bonus. It is a conter to items and talents, not actions

BTW those of you who did not know something this obvious are obviously misleading the town or you did not get the same PM as the rest of us therefore: CHAOTIC

Really? This was why there was a huge argument over bus drivers? I didn't respond earlier because frankly I didn't understand the two sides' positions... but now...

I'm afraid MRD is wrong on this issue. The wording of ATPG on the first page may be a unclear, but a quick google search reveals that the a bus driver DOES switch the actions affecting the two people involved.

http://wikiguides.neoseeker.com/wiki...ame/Bus_Driver
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Bus_Driver

[Jolt]

Hi there cowardly scum!

Still can't come up with an actual reason to accuse me though can you? Go ahead, I'll list several that you've implied are lies but you don't want to commit yourself to a false accusation do you? You think my role claim is false, that I wasn't attacked by the chaotics, or what? Because otherwise you'll be trying to kill off a guy who is openly against the chaotics and was attacked by them twice and you know it, I'm not a chaotic.

There is absolutely nothing that I have stated about you that you have countered. 0. You always use other side-reasons like "It was a joke." or "You can't read the write-up" or "It's a fact that I'm right."

I'll give you a couple of facts.
- It's a fact that MRD revealed as Rudolph.
- It's also a fact that Renata did say that someone else had counter-claim it (You).

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

- It's a fact as well that you were pushing for MRD's lynch on the base that he was actively cooperating with Seon (By having saved him) and was purposedly killing townie members. Therefore you argued that he could not be anything else other than a Mafia member.
- It's also a fact that later you apparently were also confirmed that MRD was not in fact Mafia. What you then tried to do is some sort of forcing MRD to confess that he was a neutral thief in exchange for him not being lynched.
- It's a fact you were trying to force the town to spend high credits to "even things up" with those who had spent high credits early, something it was pointed out it could be a scummy manuever that benefitted the Mafia.
- It's a fact you vehemently deny using an item to protect yourself. Fortunately Renata might have just confirmed (or not) that you have in fact an item (Why else would she say that anyone wanting to vig kill you would have to face your magic shield?); regardless even if this is not a confirmation on purpose, it still very much looks like you're using an item for your protection and yet you lied and sticked to your lie that you were not being protected by any item; though your credibility has hit rock bottom (Especially with Renata's mention) so I'll digress if you bring it up again.
- It's also a fact that you did not respond to my post asking you to link my actions in voluntarily saying to Greyblades and later to you that the Black Knight was strong for having KO'd a Sith Master with one blow, and because of that, why you think I'm hiding myself (Please, I REALLY want you to do this one.)

- It's a fact that MRD was then lynched as revealed as the townie he had originally claimed and that you had counter-claimed.

As I said said with A LOT of advance, beyond all these incriminating facts to you, what would count for me the most would be if MRD was indeed Mafia or not. And not only was he not mafia but you (purposedly I suppose, unless someone forced you to) counter-claimed the EXACT very same role of MRD, which made his credibility take an even greater hit. In fact, the fact that someone had counter-claimed his role was basically the only decisive argument that made me think he could be Mafia. Little did I know that it had been you who had counter-claimed.

There's an honest way to approach this here, and that's if Jolt is evil, the last thing he'll want is to try and waste hundreds of everybody's credits again tomorrow. Especially with him apparently saving so much of his own after all, that's another reason he should read the below carefully since if he is a lazy Innocent and saved all his stuff it could get stolen tonight.

Actually, contrary to you, I haven't been trying to direct the town's voting efforts. I have not said that they need to vote on you, or that they need to vote specific amounts to not be considered scum. In fact, the best way to catch is rather not to tell them how to vote and then in the mid-late game, see their amount and voting pattern and then presumably be able to find out who are the scum people through that.
I'm the one who is telling you and Romanic that I'm not gonna be forced to vote into specific people or specific amounts just because you two want to. Sorry, but I have no intention of wasting everybody's credits. Everybody is free to vote as they choose. The facts are already layed down for everyone to see. Oh don't worry, I've already been stolen. But I still got enough to bet on you.

So instead of hundreds of other people's credits tomorrow, don't we think Jolt should use some of his own tonight? Don't believe my role claim and self-defense ability? Come attack me, I don't mind. Bring a friend too for a second vig-attempt if you want, I'd guess you have about 20% odds of success if you were truly regular Innocents and aren't scum with hidden abilities to attack, that's not so bad, still less credits wasted at most compared to a hypothetical lynch tomorrow.

Oh, I bet you want me to waste my credits don't you? Sorry but I'm fiscally conservative. I don't like using my credits on things which have a high risk. I like to save my money. As Renata said, why waste my credits attacking a person which will be prepared (Since you'll use your item for sure, you won't waste any credits at all.) Why waste my credits this night and fail when I can use them to lynch you during the day in a much more successful manner? (Including the benefit of most probably getting them back!)

But I know Jolt isn't going to try that - the reason is he's too much of a coward if not a straight out scum, even a successful attack might reveal something about his character in the writeup or something, so he'd rather steer the lynch using other people's credits. But I'll give you a second, better option that's less of a risk - detective scan me.

You counter-claimed to someone who was being true. Further if you are the Black Knight, that means that you are surely Python Mafia and not Bizarro Mafia. In the lack of detective scanning items, falsely counter-claiming a bizarro mafia role when you are python mafia sounds like a pretty good detective scan to me.

I'd encourage everyone to note that for Jolt or others like them if they don't show up with a vig result or detective scan or something similar in hand and try to lynch me tomorrow then you know the case is false and pointless.

HAHA. This sentence is of epic proportions. On the very same day Earthling's case on MRD utterly collapsed and it was proven false, he attempts to lecture the town into knowing when a case is false and pointless.

Spare me the lecture. Contrary to you, I don't know if I'm right. Contrary to you, I didn't know if MRD was Mafia or not. In fact, I can't say for sure if you are Mafia or not. You do LOOK A LOT like one. Your credibility to talk to the town about right or false cases is 0.

[Subotan]

Hi there cowardly scum!

That's a lot of text. But, you lied, ergo, we're gonna lynch you.

[Major Robert Dump]

Really? This was why there was a huge argument over bus drivers? I didn't respond earlier because frankly I didn't understand the two sides' positions... but now...

I'm afraid MRD is wrong on this issue. The wording of ATPG on the first page may be a unclear, but a quick google search reveals that the a bus driver DOES switch the actions affecting the two people involved.

http://wikiguides.neoseeker.com/wiki...ame/Bus_Driver
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Bus_Driver

You're right. I am lying again, because it is funny.

And my rental car isn't ready, so I feel the need to inform you, shlin28, I spilled some bodily fluids on your sweater.

[shlin28]

You're right. I am lying again, because it is funny.

And my rental car isn't ready, so I feel the need to inform you, shlin28, I spilled some bodily fluids on your sweater.

[Chaotix]

Anyone get the feeling that going after Earthling is just as much of a waste of time and credits as going after MRD was?

I mean, yeah, we have to watch him, but this is eating up so much of the thread that the real scum are likely floating right by without any worries.

[Seon]

My mother told me never to trust anyone who said that a criminal just went through my house and I should unlock my doors so that he could investigate my house, Chaotics

[B-Wing]

Anyone get the feeling that going after Earthling is just as much of a waste of time and credits as going after MRD was?

I mean, yeah, we have to watch him, but this is eating up so much of the thread that the real scum are likely floating right by without any worries.

Almost my exact thoughts, Chaotix.

[dcmort93]

Anyone get the feeling that going after Earthling is just as much of a waste of time and credits as going after MRD was?

I mean, yeah, we have to watch him, but this is eating up so much of the thread that the real scum are likely floating right by without any worries.

So then someone with a vig item tries to kill him. We know there are vig items out there as some of them have come up to a vote after their former owners died so why not use them

[Beskar]

Almost my exact thoughts, Chaotix.

So you share the same thoughts with Chaotic?

[Choxorn]

MY GOD PEOPLE

Bus drivers don't affect actions, they affect "effects."

They don't affect the action. If I try to kill someone and I get busdrivered with Snuffy, we don't switch targets or actions. We switch stats. So if Snuffy is good at theft and I am good at murder, I will now lose my murder bonus for a theft bonus and vice versa. I wont kill Snuffys theft Target and Snuffy won't steal from my vig target, the actions will stay the same but with perverted chances.

The idea that someones target for a vig or other action will get switched to another player is completely wrong. You want to use BD to take away a bonus or add a bonus. It is a conter to items and talents, not actions

BTW those of you who did not know something this obvious are obviously misleading the town or you did not get the same PM as the rest of us therefore: CHAOTIC

Major, for the love of the town, please shut up. Your text-wall arguments filled with lies and insults are actively harming the town by zapping the will of people to read posts and letting the scum hide well. You're not even remotely close with your accusations in all likelyhood.

Earthling, I say the same to you.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Org Mafia: Promoting peace and love since June 2006.

[Earthling]

Really? This was why there was a huge argument over bus drivers? I didn't respond earlier because frankly I didn't understand the two sides' positions... but now...

Yes, this must have been what MRD was after the entire time, and just like with several other things, including his theory about the playing cards, nobody else was even talking about it. But it's only one time in at least a half-dozen where everything he's said is because of completely failing to understand the rules just to start, when he hoped to make money in voting or claimed stuff like this. However this performance as a townie is still far better than Jolt's, if Jolt is a townie, because Jolt's argument is literally that not knowing how to read makes him right.

As for Jolt's post above, it's rather self-evident to others I'd imagine why it doesn't need addressing and so I don't think I would ask anyone else to spend too much time reading this or caring. But I'll answer him on all his silly points for one last try if he is a misguided townie (and spoilered to shorten the in thread appearance of text, of course)

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I never claimed that I, Earthling, was Bizarro or anything like that. I claimed nothing about myself before my true role claim and every bit of it remains true. It's clear you are just lying about this, but on the chance you're not, go and read the thread and try to find the quotes you think express your point of view, because you keep on saying stuff was said in the thread that never was, by anyone. And then like I said, please bother to address my actual role, you have given zero reasons why you think I'm chaotic.

The point about being as "powerful as a Jedi or not or whatever" is just flat wrong, I dont' know why you still want to pretend you don't understand what flavor in a write-up means. This is a horrible argument and you know it, you might as well say all the South Park mafia must be utterly powerless because they are little animal creatures and not Jedi or whatever. In other words, whether you think a Jedi would be more powerful than some other character is a terrible argument against people's actual abilities or items in this game. This argument of yours is so obviously wrong you really should see why you need to stop.

That does bring me to the point of the item you're claiming is responsible for my defensive ability - I'm still right about this, but you need to make extremely clear what you are claiming and if you think you have a shred of proof. I did not defend myself with an item ability, and that's the truth, but if you want to claim otherwise you'd better put up so everyone can judge your claim. If I die, I will certainly have no such item and you will be proven a liar. Otherwise it's just sad how you continue to pursue irrelevant nonsense, you seem to accept that I've been attacked by the chaotics and can't be one of them after all but won't let logic like that guide your decisions.

[Visor]

You claim or we kill.

[Diamondeye]

and my vassal Diamondeye wanting me dead for metagame revenge for those times I successfully went after him when he was scum is not relevant to this game but I'll accept that reason too.

Why doesn't anyone believe me when I say that I don't want Earthling dead? I just want him silenced. Every night. For the rest of the game. I am sure it would benefit the town.

Org Mafia: Promoting peace and love since June 2006.

You know it! (cue Visorslash's post)

[Earthling]

You can't be serious, go and read the thread, please, or come up with something less nonsensical. I told you I don't think I should bother with stuff that can be solved by someone else bothering to read, or not being a scum pretending to have read something like the rules wrong, and I really think that's fair. It also reduces repetition and clutter in the thread which even talkative dead people paradoxically keep on about.

dcmort in case you didn't notice the cowardly Jolt is the one who the one vig item was voted to after all in that day of backscratching. I'm fine if he wants to try like I said, for others I'd recommend that several Innocents don't waste credits and effort on probable failed attacks on other Innocents, and I can't predict what the scum will do. He probably won't for the reasons that I also said, but I do like how he still wants to insist on other people wasting their credits in the lynch tomorrow.

I know you don't want your venerable lord and master dead, Diamondeye, and you shall be rewarded for your loyalty and valour.

[Visor]

Earthling, please, answer me this:

WILL YOU CLAIM?

[Jolt]

Yes, this must have been what MRD was after the entire time, and just like with several other things, including his theory about the playing cards, nobody else was even talking about it. But it's only one time in at least a half-dozen where everything he's said is because of completely failing to understand the rules just to start, when he hoped to make money in voting or claimed stuff like this. However this performance as a townie is still far better than Jolt's, if Jolt is a townie, because Jolt's argument is literally that not knowing how to read makes him right.

As for Jolt's post above, it's rather self-evident to others I'd imagine why it doesn't need addressing and so I don't think I would ask anyone else to spend too much time reading this or caring. But I'll answer him on all his silly points for one last try if he is a misguided townie (and spoilered to shorten the in thread appearance of text, of course)

The point about being as "powerful as a Jedi or not or whatever" is just flat wrong, I dont' know why you still want to pretend you don't understand what flavor in a write-up means. This is a horrible argument and you know it, you might as well say all the South Park mafia must be utterly powerless because they are little animal creatures and not Jedi or whatever. In other words, whether you think a Jedi would be more powerful than some other character is a terrible argument against people's actual abilities or items in this game. This argument of yours is so obviously wrong you really should see why you need to stop.

That does bring me to the point of the item you're claiming is responsible for my defensive ability - I'm still right about this, but you need to make extremely clear what you are claiming and if you think you have a shred of proof. I did not defend myself with an item ability, and that's the truth, but if you want to claim otherwise you'd better put up so everyone can judge your claim. If I die, I will certainly have no such item and you will be proven a liar. Otherwise it's just sad how you continue to pursue irrelevant nonsense, you seem to accept that I've been attacked by the chaotics and can't be one of them after all but won't let logic like that guide your decisions.

Nothing new or interesting in this post except something that I'll address:

I never claimed that I, Earthling, was Bizarro or anything like that. I claimed nothing about myself before my true role claim and every bit of it remains true. It's clear you are just lying about this, but on the chance you're not, go and read the thread and try to find the quotes you think express your point of view, because you keep on saying stuff was said in the thread that never was, by anyone. And then like I said, please bother to address my actual role, you have given zero reasons why you think I'm chaotic.

Speaking of that, who counter-claimed saying Rudolph was some one else? I believe Renata was the messenger of that nugget of information.

Renata, kill your source with a vig or lynch them tomorrow. This is not a request.

That's already been talked about; it was Earthling. You want to go up against that magical shield, be my guest. I'd rather try to kill a suspect who's not going to see it coming.

Care to explain?

So either you are lying (Which isn't surprising anymore.) or Renata is.

[classical_hero]

Apologies for not being active, I am not feeling well right now.

[God Emperor]

Earthling, please, answer me this:

WILL YOU CLAIM?

What good will a roleclaim do?

[Renata]

Nobody can read, can they?

I never said that EARTHLING had claimed to be Rudolf. I said that Earthling had claimed that SKOOMA was Rudolf. Which he did. Which he was lying about, as he admitted to me. (Or maybe admitted isn't quite the right word; he apparently thought it was amusing until I started yelling at him.) Which he essentially admits in the thread afterward (note the mention somewhere or other of the funny little thing he did to Renata). He said he did it in order to give me the impression he had less money than he did, claiming the intention and later the result of having done a full scan on Skooma when all he actually had was information on Skooma's faction.

Earthling is a liar. He always does this, and he always tries to make it your problem, not his.

And that is all I am going to say. I've been down this road with him too many times to do it again. I just don't need the stress anymore. You're on your own, Earthling.

[Visor]

What good will a roleclaim do?

Make me feel better. Cause then I know who I'm killing before I kill em.

Well that is if he tells the truth. ;)

[Visor]

I mean if he isn't dead tonight. I have no kill ability. :(

[Renata]

Somebody's self-conscious.

[Beskar]

I investigated Renata on night two and found out she is a choatic! I used a quicktopic and attempt to question her saying I was a neutral in order to win over her trust, and it worked and she revealed who the scum were!

Good game, Renata.
http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/wir45gHgQPKk9

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Thank god I'm still alive .

[thefluffyone93]

I investigated Renata on night two and found out she is a choatic! I used a quicktopic and attempt to question her saying I was a neutral in order to win over her trust, and it worked and she revealed who the scum were!

Good game, Renata.
http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/wir45gHgQPKk9

*Twitch*
THE HORROR.

[Renata]

LOL.