Osama Bin Laden is Dead

[Lemur]

This video is so full of win, I had to share:

[PanzerJaeger]

This video is so full of win, I had to share:

Sigh. Sometimes gun owners make the best case for gun control. So many firearms safety rules broken...

1. Never fire a weapon into the air.
2. Never fire a weapon while riding a motor vehicle.
3. Never fire a weapon indiscriminately into a wooded area with no clear backstop.

Hilarious video nonetheless. Thanks for sharing.

[a completely inoffensive name]

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[econ21]

Also, I got called a liberal in a derogatory way by my friends all the time ...

Off topic, coming from Europe where the word is not used in the same derogatory way, I would recommend you wear the label with pride. It's word with great connotations - Western liberal values, liberty etc. Who wants to be illiberal?

Ask your friends why they hate freedom.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Off topic, coming from Europe where the word is not used in the same derogatory way, I would recommend you wear the label with pride. It's word with great connotations - Western liberal values, liberty etc. Who wants to be illiberal?

Ask your friends why they hate freedom.

You try explaining the difference between 18th-19th century liberalism with modern day terminology to a bunch of high school kids that would rather brag about their K/D ratios on CoD than actually have a conversation.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You try explaining the difference between 18th-19th century liberalism with modern day terminology to a bunch of high school kids that would rather brag about their K/D ratios on CoD than actually have a conversation.

I would; I tried to get a degree in that but I ran out of money.

[Papewaio]

I'm still looking for a headline along the lines of:

Obama Bined Laden.

[Hosakawa Tito]

Hope the last thing he saw was the US flag patch on the Seal's right shoulder, then the double tap muzzle flash. Ding dong the is dead.

[Shibumi]

Hope the last thing he saw was the US flag patch on the Seal's right shoulder, then the double tap muzzle flash. Ding dong the is dead.

It was not a double tap. First shot went through the eye, second shot was when he was downed, to assure he was dead. By the looks of it, a pretty well executed assassination.

[Ronin]

This video is so full of win, I had to share:

you must need an electron microscope to see this guy's penis.

yes...Bin Laden being dead is good news...but damn.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Pappy: Nice one.

ACIN: Don't worry, eventually we'll get down to people being awarded degrees FOR their comparisons of CoD and MAG clan interactions WITH the idealism movement of the enlightenment. No doubt it will be argued that the 12-year-old gamer IS the flowering of that noble philosphy.

[gaelic cowboy]

I'm still looking for a headline along the lines of:

Obama Bined Laden.

The Sun obliged yesterday

[Subotan]

ACIN: Don't worry, eventually we'll get down to people being awarded degrees FOR their comparisons of CoD and MAG clan interactions WITH the idealism movement of the enlightenment. No doubt it will be argued that the 12-year-old gamer IS the flowering of that noble philosphy.

Unfortunately, that day will not come fast enough to save my philosophy degree.

[Xiahou]

Actually, one more post just because I still like you guys and want to share some cool content with you. Here is a picture of Obama and his team watching the raid live as it was happening.

Am I the only one that took note of the fact that they were all HP laptops?

This video is so full of win, I had to share:

And for the nomination of best parody of a Little Mermaid song on the topic of Bin Laden's death, I submit the following.

[Lemur]

Am I the only one that took note of the fact that they were all HP laptops?

Once you get the adware and trialware off 'em, pretty good laptops. That said, you would think the top echelon of our military and executive branch would all have Alienware or Voodoo. I mean, come on.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Fox is pathetic. It reeks of a continued attempt to subliminally influence people.


Must be a tough day for Fox. Indeed, a tough decade:
'3000 Americans killed in the worst attack on American soil in US history'
Fox / GOP / Bush: 'Let's use public sentiment to spend two trillion dollar of tax money in a confused mix of private and public interest'
Obama: 'I vow to bring the perpetrators to justice'

If I had the vote, the election of 2012 would be over already.

And you think the other networks are any better?

Here's some very good reporting on the operation.

So Fox is crap and ABC, a liberal network is better? You make me laugh Lemur.

Ah yes, the Chinese Communist/Jihadist axis of something or another. Don't you hate it when atheist totalitarians and Islamists team up? I think the Freemasons and the Illuminati are mixed up in it too.

Hmmm maybe because in the long run China is benefiting from us screwing around in the Middle East? Ever hear of how broke we are?

[Tellos Athenaios]

Once you get the adware and trialware off 'em, pretty good laptops. That said, you would think the top echelon of our military and executive branch would all have Alienware or Voodoo. I mean, come on.

Alienware? Voodoo? Surely not. A Thinkpad, maybe.

[Hosakawa Tito]

It was not a double tap. First shot went through the eye, second shot was when he was downed, to assure he was dead. By the looks of it, a pretty well executed assassination.

Thanks for the eye witness account. I didn't feel any remorse when the Wicked Witch of the West melted either, go figure.

Once you get the adware and trialware off 'em, pretty good laptops. That said, you would think the top echelon of our military and executive branch would all have Alienware or Voodoo. I mean, come on.

Don't know about Voodoo, but Alienware has sold out to Dell. Yeah, they're toast.

[drone]

Alienware? Voodoo? Surely not. A Thinkpad, maybe.

I think Lenovo is a no-go with the US government at this point. They probably have a government-rate bulk deal with HP, so they get business lappies with no crapware.

The really cool hardware is going to be with the SEAL team on the other end of the link.

[Tellos Athenaios]

I think Lenovo is a no-go with the US government at this point. They probably have a government-rate bulk deal with HP, so they get business lappies with no crapware.

HPs are as much made in China as the rest of them, and software wise I would be astounded if the govt admins actually bought OS software licences at all through HP for the laptops. I'd expect them to have some kind of Enterprise type licence directly with Microsoft so they can make a pre configured image of what they need and deploy those in bulk on their hardware...

The really cool hardware is going to be with the SEAL team on the other end of the link.

Dell make some military laptops, actually. Hardware wise actually pretty slow kit (as little moving parts as possible and low thermal envelope required) wrapped in layers of protective stuff.

[Husar]

You'd think those NWO types in the white house etc. would have nuclear powered laptops with ultrasuperdupercores that they are deliberately keeping away from us normal people to prevent us from advancing.

On the actual topic of bin Laden, I guess what makes me sad about this, however "justified" this may be, is that America, the country that is trying to say to people around the world, "hey, look, we're civilized and we don't want to harm you, we just play by the rules" and the country that wants to teach Afghans to drag their neighbor to court instead of shooting him, is now telling the world "hey, we think it's perfectly fine to just shoot someone if you just hate them enough", the latter part obviously being up to individual interpretation.
That's not to say bin Laden wasn't absolutely guilty, scummy and evil in a way but we also dragged Milosevich and others to court, even the Nazis were tried in a court after WW2, but somehow so many seem to think in this case it's appropriate to purposefully ignore everything we usually see as holy, everything we hope other countries will finally introduce into their justice system and just say "screw it, let's just shoot him!" To me this screams the guy has won, he found the button that makes Americans throw away all their standards and celebrate a murder, because if he wasn't sentenced by a judge and it wasn't necessary to shoot him to save someone directly, then that's all this was.

That said, apart from him being gone now, what have we gained with this? I'm not a big fan of "symbolic victories", that's just the short form of "we didn't actually gain anything but want to celebrate anyway", it would be more worthy of celebrations if we could now finally do away with all the anti terror laws and regain all the freedoms we gave up/had to give up because of this guy and his "life project" that seems to have survived him easily though.

[Shibumi]

Thanks for the eye witness account. I didn't feel any remorse when the Wicked Witch of the West melted either, go figure.

Eye witness report? It is how I understood it from Swedish and American press.

Some American media indeed reported it as a double tap, meaning two shots fired in quick succession, pretty standard practice in the military to assure a kill, or at least assure some serious injury is done.

As I understood it however, OBM hid behind a woman (brave). DEVGRU however are not the worst marksmen around, and they simply shot him in the eye with one well aimed shot. When the body was on the floor, the assassination was completed with a shot in the heart, for good measure - or rather to make 100% sure the guy was dead.

No, not an eye witness report, just what I have been able to gather from the sources available. I might very well be wrong, but regardless I am sure we will find out in time. It is not like the US has anything to hide (hardy har har).

Why does it matter? Well, saying the two shots was a double tap make it seem way less callous and cold blooded.

Am I against the assassination? Not really, he had it coming.

I would have preferred other solutions though. It is a bit too vigilante style to send troopers on assassination missions on another nations ground. I get why the US did it, but do not be surprised if it will have a backlash effect.

[Xiahou]

even the Nazis were tried in a court after WW2

Yes, after WW2. Do you think anyone would have given it a second thought if someone managed to successfully assassinate Hitler during the war? In combat, the enemy is a legitimate target until they surrender. If it comes to light that Bin Laden threw up his hands and was exclaiming "I surrender!" when he was shot you might have a point- otherwise, I don't see the issue.

[Shibumi]

Yes, after WW2. Do you think anyone would have given it a second thought if someone managed to successfully assassinate Hitler during the war? In combat, the enemy is a legitimate target until they surrender. If it comes to light that Bin Laden threw up his hands and was exclaiming "I surrender!" when he was shot you might have a point- otherwise, I don't see the issue.

If it is a war, you should treat the prisoners by the Genevé convention.
If it is not a war, you should not assassinate civilians.

I just wish the US could make up their minds, instead of going with whatever is easiest (and most immoral) at the moment.

[jirisys]

On the actual topic of bin Laden, I guess what makes me sad about this, however "justified" this may be, is that America, the country that is trying to say to people around the world, "hey, look, we're civilized and we don't want to harm you, we just play by the rules" and the country that wants to teach Afghans to drag their neighbor to court instead of shooting him, is now telling the world "hey, we think it's perfectly fine to just shoot someone if you just hate them enough", the latter part obviously being up to individual interpretation.
That's not to say bin Laden wasn't absolutely guilty, scummy and evil in a way but we also dragged Milosevich and others to court, even the Nazis were tried in a court after WW2, but somehow so many seem to think in this case it's appropriate to purposefully ignore everything we usually see as holy, everything we hope other countries will finally introduce into their justice system and just say "screw it, let's just shoot him!" To me this screams the guy has won, he found the button that makes Americans throw away all their standards and celebrate a murder, because if he wasn't sentenced by a judge and it wasn't necessary to shoot him to save someone directly, then that's all this was.

That said, apart from him being gone now, what have we gained with this? I'm not a big fan of "symbolic victories", that's just the short form of "we didn't actually gain anything but want to celebrate anyway", it would be more worthy of celebrations if we could now finally do away with all the anti terror laws and regain all the freedoms we gave up/had to give up because of this guy and his "life project" that seems to have survived him easily though.

There is nothing to celebrate when a life ends, no matter what life it is. It just shows how savagely human we are, no other animal has a thirst of blood like this. It makes me sad that so many people in the US actually celebrate this horrendous bazar of human rights violations. Weren't they supposed to be inalienable? What made Osama any different than a common killer? I doubt he ever killed someone, which is even worse. Like instead of doing the Nuremberg trial, they would have been shot. Sure, it was said he planned the deaths of thousands of people. But didn't the US government do the same with civilians in Central America, in South America? They sure did support the dictatorial savagism of my country. The amount of life is what matters, not whatever they represent or what we make of their meaning.

In any case, there was no true victory, not when a life ends, not when Osama was killed.

I'm not saying it was right for him to kill all those people, I'm saying it's not right to kill anybody at all, especially when there is no need, and hate is what drives to it.

The only death I approve of is that of the tree of evil, not of the people that lie within it.

Side Note: I just compared TWC's thread (which they insulted bullied us moderates and proclaimed our ideas to be phoney), to this enlightened conversation with a much better tone. It's a shame.

~Jirisys ()

[Hosakawa Tito]

Double tap is SOP training for all police & military to ensure you're not killed by a wounded dying perp. There are so many versions of what happened, how many do you think were interviews with those who were really there? The correct answer would be zero. We'll never know the name/names of those involved, who shot who, or anything else save what the people in charge want us to know. The "facts" have been changing since the incident.

How many hostages do you think the jihadists would take and behead on videotape during the years of an Osama trial? They've killed far more Muslims than Westerners, and haven't been sqeamish about that at all, so the possible list of victims for their snuff films would be endless. So, how many more innocent victims are you prepared to offer up for this mass murderer? The ivory tower idealism of a "fair trial" doesn't work too well in an ongoing global guerilla war that will last for decades, especially when the jihadis don't play nice and civilized. The best most pragmatic choice for all was suicide by Seal. We just brought a little justice to the Al Queda mascot, that's all he's been since he was flushed out of Tora Bora. It ain't over, not by a long shot, but it puts the others on notice.

[jirisys]

Double tap is SOP training for all police & military to ensure you're not killed by a wounded dying perp. There are so many versions of what happened, how many do you think were interviews with those who were really there? The correct answer would be zero. We'll never know the name/names of those involved, who shot who, or anything else save what the people in charge want us to know. The "facts" have been changing since the incident.

How many hostages do you think the jihadists would take and behead on videotape during the years of an Osama trial? They've killed far more Muslims than Westerners, and haven't been sqeamish about that at all, so the possible list of victims for their snuff films would be endless. So, how many more innocent victims are you prepared to offer up for this mass murderer? The ivory tower idealism of a "fair trial" doesn't work too well in an ongoing global guerilla war that will last for decades, especially when the jihadis don't play nice and civilized. The best most pragmatic choice for all was suicide by Seal. We just brought a little justice to the Al Queda mascot, that's all he's been since he was flushed out of Tora Bora. It ain't over, not by a long shot, but it puts the others on notice.

I doubt the unnecesary and simbological death of OBL would be much different from capturing him, forcing him into submission. What is here is an unnecesary bloodshed. Fueled by hate and remorse.

~Jirisys ()

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't know about you guys, but if Osama was trying to 'surrender' I would have shot him anyway. The dude is a mass murdering maniac. What if he was wired with grenades and just wanted to take out a cluster of American soldiers before he died, in one final act of idiocy?

Better safe than sorry. Tap tap, no more Laden.

And if that makes me a bad man, I'm a VERY BAD MAN and wouldn't have it any other way.

[jirisys]

I don't know about you guys, but if Osama was trying to 'surrender' I would have shot him anyway. The dude is a mass murdering maniac. What if he was wired with grenades and just wanted to take out a cluster of American soldiers before he died, in one final act of idiocy?

Better safe than sorry. Tap tap, no more Laden.

And if that makes me a bad man, I'm a VERY BAD MAN and wouldn't have it any other way.

Preventive death? I could say that for about half of the people in the streets of my country, doesn't mean I'm going to kill them out of fear.

Specially if I don't really know anything about what they carry.

~Jirisys ()

[ajaxfetish]

Preventive death? I could say that for about half of the people in the streets of my country, doesn't mean I'm going to kill them out of fear.

I'm sorry the streets of your country are so dangerous.

Ajax