Then thankfully most people in Britain are not like that or 13yr olds would be still working down the pits or whatever else was fine till it wasnt.Originally Posted by Furunculus
There is no way you believe that fall of the cliff lark.
Re: The moronic state of British Politics
Then thankfully most people in Britain are not like that or 13yr olds would be still working down the pits or whatever else was fine till it wasnt.
There is no way you believe that fall of the cliff lark.
Last edited by gaelic cowboy; 05-07-2011 at 18:40.
They slew him with poison afaid to meet him with the steel
a gallant son of eireann was Owen Roe o'Neill.
Internet is a bad place for info Gaelic Cowboy
Re: The moronic state of British Politics
apparently most are, for despite repeated warning of unfairness and potential disengagement they still voted for the simple majoritarian system we use now.
no indeed, while the dangers you note are real i think we will continue to cope just fine with FPTP, which is why i am not at all concerned about losing the 'benefits' of AV.
Furunculus Maneuver: Adopt a highly logical position on a controversial subject where you cannot disagree with the merits of the proposal, only disagree with an opinion based on fundamental values. - Beskar
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My last quote wasnt about FPTP twas about your supposed belief that a philosophy summed up as "No change is best" when clearly change has been at the forefront of the UK political scene.
Last edited by gaelic cowboy; 05-07-2011 at 18:54.
They slew him with poison afaid to meet him with the steel
a gallant son of eireann was Owen Roe o'Neill.
Internet is a bad place for info Gaelic Cowboy
Re: The moronic state of British Politics
oh dear god no, i have nothing against change, and in fact i am all in favour of giving government power and mandate to make radical change.
frankly, ideologically i am neither progressive nor conservative, and the closest parallel i can find is baron hailsham:
"not to oppose all change but to resist and balance the volatility of current political fads and ideology, and to defend a middle position that enshrines a slowly-changing organic humane traditionalism."
but that has nothing to do with AV, which is an inferior electoral system to FPTP for all that the difference is small contrasted against PR systems.
Conservatives and Lib-Dems are at their most self-destructive when they forget that conservatism and progressivism are supposed to be attitudes to guide and shape ideology, not ideology in an of themselves.
Last edited by Furunculus; 05-07-2011 at 19:38.
Furunculus Maneuver: Adopt a highly logical position on a controversial subject where you cannot disagree with the merits of the proposal, only disagree with an opinion based on fundamental values. - Beskar
Re: The moronic state of British Politics
Clegg has really screwed the pooch on this. Really, really badly. He's been totally outmanoeuvred by the Tories and blown the single big chance that the Libs have had to return to being a mainstream party in 100 years.
As with all British politics the issue was fudged, and the fudge was fudged, and the reporting of that has been fudged further. We were offered a crap version of the same crap system which people were rightly uninterested in (not disinterested....). And now the Tories are saying that this is a vote for no change ever. All the while:
UK's richest get richer in Tories' first year
Of course we are all in it together. No change, more cuts, etc...
"The republicans will draft your kids, poison the air and water, take away your social security and burn down black churches if elected." Gawain of Orkney
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no he hasn't.
he had no choice but to get a referendum on voting if he was to persuade his party to enter a coalition with the 'nasty' tories.
he knew he would never be offered a choice that he could win.
he made the best of it and accepted a p00p choice as well as the promise of PR in the lords.
the p00p choice failed, as he expected, but now he can offer proportional representation.
it is labour that has real problems.
You presume that the Lib-Dems are willing to continue being the eternal bridesmaid of progressive-left politics in Britain.
Labour have failed to get a majority in Wales, they have failed to demonstrate recovery in England, and their power-base in Scotland now lies broken.
Crazy as it sounds right now surrounded by the ashes of defeat this actually represents a massive opportunity for the Lib-Dems.
They can and will recover their electoral base over the next four years provided the coalition survives and repairs the economy, during which Labour will continue to be a wreck.
Come the 2015 election they can begin to present themselves as the natural home of responsible progressive-left politics.
Furunculus Maneuver: Adopt a highly logical position on a controversial subject where you cannot disagree with the merits of the proposal, only disagree with an opinion based on fundamental values. - Beskar
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The defeat of AV made me put on my -sad face- for the entire day.
FPTP is really ridiculous. It's not as conductive to democracy as other forms of voting period. AV wasn't the best alternative, but it was better. The mathematics behind alternative forms of voting are not partisan lies. And now that Britain hangs onto FPTP, it seems even more unlikely such a movement will arise in the US.
Re: The moronic state of British Politics
You seem to be putting a brighter spin on it than even the most optimistic Lib Dem spokespeople would dare to try.
"The republicans will draft your kids, poison the air and water, take away your social security and burn down black churches if elected." Gawain of Orkney
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