The Campground [Concluded]

[johnhughthom]

Okay, due to low voting activity I'm going to extend the round by 24 hours. Let's just chalk this one up to it being the weekend.

Good stuff, thought I'd missed the phase. I'll read up when I've more time tomorrow and cast a vote then.

[B-Wing]

Sorry guys, been out of town all weekend, just got back. I'll go back over the replies tomorrow evening, but for now...
vote: Askthepizzaguy

[Askthepizzaguy]

In case you're wondering, Chaotix, the thing that I am not letting go of is your initial attempt at putting "reasoning" behind your vote to make it appear strong. This is an attempt to get me lynched instead of murdered, and you tried very hard at it. It was all bogus because you dropped it at the first sign of me not being lynched. You weren't serious.

As such, my finger will point at you indefinitely. I already stated, I am willing to die as long as you go with me. You are a scumbag.

[Visor]

Right then. There's still another log on the fire for you, Chaotix!

Vote: Chaotix

[Askthepizzaguy]

O RLY?

So you're attacking my vote with a WIFOM argument that defends somebody else?

Unvote, Vote: ATPG

Just what I was looking for.

The part in red is what feels fake to me. You sound oh-so-convinced. Are you?

Vote: Askthepizzaguy

Yes?

Ok,

Unvote, Vote: Visorslash

I don't like self-votes.

No.

The answer is no. You're not convinced. I, on the other hand, am strongly leaning you being full of the scums.

You "don't like" self-votes? That sounds like weaker reasoning than Pizza is scum because he defended God Emperor. You wouldn't drop strong reasoning for weak reasoning.

[Visor]

And I unvoted that self vote 5 seconds later anyway.

I think he should've died last day.

[Andres]

Helping my scum partner ATPG; Vote: Chaotix.
* I will then later on stab my budy ATPG in the back by lynching him*

Anyone making such statements should die.

Vote : God Emperor

[Scienter]

I voted for Vote:Chaotix last time and I'm voting for him again.

[johnhughthom]

Im going to Vote: God Emperor

[Andres]

Unvote ; Vote : Scienter

I can't shake this gut feeling. Should do a re-read.

Visorslash, why are you voting Chaotix?

[Andres]

Sorry guys, been out of town all weekend, just got back. I'll go back over the replies tomorrow evening, but for now...
vote: Askthepizzaguy

Any reason why you are voting ATPG?

[seireikhaan]

Vote: Scienter

I'm with andres' stomach on this one.

[TheLastDays]

Andres, I know you didn't ask me but the only reason I haven't voted Chaotix or ATPG (yet) is that I'm not sure who of the two to lynch... I think they both have a point in their "feud" against each other, although apparently one of them is the scum. I just can't make out who it is yet...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Andres, I know you didn't ask me but the only reason I haven't voted Chaotix or ATPG (yet) is that I'm not sure who of the two to lynch... I think they both have a point in their "feud" against each other, although apparently one of them is the scum. I just can't make out who it is yet...

Not necessarily. Go with whoever you think is the scummiest, don't just pick one of two players who want each other dead.

Basically, what I'm saying is listen to your gut, and lynch Chaotix.

[Chaotix]

And I'm saying listen to my gut, and lynch ATPG.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Because, I'm hungry.

So... my tummy is rumbling.

For Pizza.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Chaotix: (4) ATPG, God Emperor, Visorslash, Scienter
God Emperor: (3) TheLastDays, Csargo, JHT
Scienter: (2) Andres, Yaseikhaan
ATPG: (2) Chaotix, B_Ray


When does the round end? This tally is not stable. Chaotix isn't going to leave his vote as-is going into his own possible lynch, and the other top two candidates for lynch are also voting for Chaotix, and they could easily jump ship if the Chaotix wagon changes. In other words, I suspect last-minute shenanigans going to happen. We need something more decisive.

Chaotix wants to vote for Scienter; I also placed an early suspicion on Scienter. Andres has the golden gut. I move off of Chaotix, onto GE or Scienter, and they could easily flip to me. It's a virtual 4-way tie at the moment.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Okay. I'll make the move, and pray it isn't a stupid one.

Unvote, vote: Scienter

I will murder you tonight, Chaotix.

[Chaotix]

Okay. I'll make the move, and pray it isn't a stupid one.

Unvote, vote: Scienter

I will murder you tonight, Chaotix.

Assuming you survive the lynch, any smart mafioso would do this, including you.

However, you've given me more ammunition and stronger reasoning by changing your vote.

Not yesterday you were going after me for dropping a vote and going with what you saw as a "weaker case". Are you going to tell me you believe Scienter is more suspicious to you than I am right now? Or is this merely an attempt at self-preservation.

Now, I'm getting a gut feeling on Scienter as well, which is why I started off the round voting that way. But you, Pizza, take the whole pie. My vote stays where it is, and will not be changed until your cheesy guts have been spilled.

[GeneralHankerchief]

When does the round end?

1 hour and 45 minutes.

-edit- though if I'm early or late to end things, my "voting closed" post trumps what is said here. I'll try to be exact though.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Assuming you survive the lynch, any smart mafioso would do this, including you.

You're darned right I might. However it would be much safer to let you die.

However, you've given me more ammunition and stronger reasoning by changing your vote.

I know I have. A small factor in my decision, as it means the lynch is more likely to end up backfiring on me and that's bad no matter what team I am on.

That said, the tally as it is feels like the mafia are satisfied with it. Which means I am not.

Not yesterday you were going after me for dropping a vote and going with what you saw as a "weaker case". Are you going to tell me you believe Scienter is more suspicious to you than I am right now? Or is this merely an attempt at self-preservation.

I was going to wait until the deadline to see what you would do, but as much as I'd like to, there are only so many lynches left and town is more sluggish in response to mafia moves than mafia are responsive to town moves. If there's going to be a tally switch for any reason, it should be done before the deadline so that people can discuss it, change their minds.

Also, I note that you're dinging me for hypocrisy. I'm allowed to be hypocritical because I'm townie.

I lie, backstab, steal, and constantly do the opposite of what I advise in many different games. Just look at the Animus game, where I advised keeping the tally low, then swung around and advocated a bandwagon on Kagemusha.

I'm more than willing to give you "ammunition" if it serves a purpose.

Now, I'm getting a gut feeling on Scienter as well, which is why I started off the round voting that way. But you, Pizza, take the whole pie. My vote stays where it is, and will not be changed until your cheesy guts have been spilled.

Good on principle, bad here if you're town or if you're mafia. But I applaud your brave promise not to break a three-way tie in your favor. I would be very interested to see you stick to that.

[Scienter]

Okay. I'll make the move, and pray it isn't a stupid one.

Unvote, vote: Scienter

Not the smartest idea if you're a townie.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Not the smartest idea if you're a townie.

Flinchy flinch flinch flinch.

Oh what impeccable timing you have!

[johnhughthom]

What exactly is the case on Scienter? She doesn't seem any different from how she normally plays to me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

What exactly is the case on Scienter? She doesn't seem any different from how she normally plays to me.

Case? Case???

Andres has a gut feeling. I'm more than satisfied with Andres' track record on gut feelings. Beats my analysis 6 days out of the week.

[Chaotix]

People are voting for Diamondeye just because he's Diamondeye?

Vote: Chaotix. He voted for (dead)Zack so either he's not paying attention or he wants us to think that he's not paying attention...

Here is the case.

A poor vote yesterday; basically finding an excuse to vote for someone (not just because it was on me, rather because it was on stupid-me-voting-for-a-dead person). This is what I voted Scienter for in the beginning of the round.

If you're not going to join me and vote for ATPG, Scienter is the next best choice.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Nice.

I think we can be *fairly* sure Chaotix and Scienter aren't mafia together. Not only have their votes for each other seemed to be genuine, but Chaotix is advocating her death in a position where her death is a very likely scenario.

[Diamondeye]

It's Scienter and GE. Think about it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's Scienter and GE. Think about it.

Possible. It would explain why they aren't voting for each other, even now. Scienter had a chance to switch the vote, but declined. God Emperor is also declining to act. It's possible they either really think Chaotix is guilty, or don't want the other to die.

However, people don't always act in ways you expect them to. It's not a slam-dunk that either one is guilty. I just wanted to see reactions to a tied vote. I found it nifty how quickly Scienter reacted, and how she did. It could be useful later, or not, but it's better than no discussion.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Voting closed.

[GeneralHankerchief]

We have a three-way tie! Rather than throw everything out and do a re-vote, I'm just going to extend the round once more.

To make it fair for everyone, the round will now end at 14:00 US Eastern Time. This is 17 hours from now. If the vote is still tied, then I'll be forced to do a sudden-death tiebreaker.