The Campground [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

Who wants to bet its actually ATPG and Andres?

Lynch Andres first, then me.

[Renata]

Doubt ATPG is mafia.

[Visor]

Doubt your doubting abilities.

[Andres]

And above that, still, you say something else, which is precisely what I'm referring to.



Especially love the rolleyes, that's a nice touch.

Don't you have thought processes?

Also, "Il n'y a que les imbéciles qui ne changent pas d'avis". Only a fool never changes his opinion.

[Andres]

Lynch Andres first, then me.

Lynch Pizza and Scienter, then worship me for being a genius

[Visor]

I'd laugh if one of those dies tonight. So much for your theories.

[Scienter]

Lynch Pizza and Scienter, then worship me for being a genius

Wait, what? I thought Chaotix and I were scumbuddies? How are Pizza and I connected?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Don't you have thought processes?

Tsk, Andres. I'm not moved by that. You criticize the thought process, you criticize the case, you'll criticize the accuser, but it doesn't matter if I found the right answer by rolling DICE, if the answer is correct.

Also, "Il n'y a que les imbéciles qui ne changent pas d'avis". Only a fool never changes his opinion.

You may reserve the right to change your opinion, as often as you please. I'm simply theorizing that your opinions haven't been genuine in the first place.

Lynch Pizza and Scienter, then worship me for being a genius

Scienter will of course, go on past this whole charade where I get Andres and Chaotix lynched, and even though I will die in the process, I shall be vindicated when my she-scum partner lasts to the final round. You'll tremble as you place your votes on her, wondering if I could be that ballsy. But you stand firm, because you know that I can indeed. And you'll lynch her. And you'll be right. But, you'll be so very surprised... why would I play the WIFOM game if I know you're going to call my bluff?

The answer, my friend, is as plain as the cheese on my pizza pie. Because I am Askthepizzaguy, and my reputation must be preserved no matter the cost! For I am VAIN!!! Curse my enormous ego. Weep for me, townies, I'm too narcissistic to play this game properly...




Also, Scienter showing up right now is convenient timing. All too convenient, you see, because Andres accused her of being scum and she just couldn't help herself. I always fall into my own scumtell traps. Woe.

[Andres]

blah blah blah blah blah

You're still guilty.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Your case makes no sense

And yet, it's still correct!

[Andres]

And yet, it's still correct!

Why are you so eager not to defend yourself and only going for the attack?

I think you sticking to the attack is your way of showing you can't handle the pressure. You're guilty.

[Visor]

Yaseikhaan
Visorslash
B_Ray
Csargo
Andres
johnhughthom
Scienter
Askthepizzaguy
TheLastDays
Chaotix

I want to hear from Csargo.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why are you so eager not to defend yourself and only going for the attack?

I think you sticking to the attack is your way of showing you can't handle the pressure. You're guilty.

I've already admitted my scummery! I've already admitted Scienter is my partner! But now, I'm focusing on bringing down fake mafioso/true townie Andres so I can score much lulz before this game ends! Don't you get it??? There's no need for me to defend the indefensible. Now I'm going for the gusto. I intend for the audience to shower me with roses and gold coins when my masterful performance is complete!

I could respond seriously to you, but when has that ever brought me good fortune? I'd rather post sexy pictures of Kagemusha, it gets my point across better.

[Andres]

I could respond seriously to you, but when has that ever brought me good fortune? I'd rather post sexy pictures of Kagemusha, it gets my point across better.

It's not unusual for a scummy Pizza to start sounding frustrated when being pressured.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's not unusual for a scummy Pizza to start sounding frustrated when being pressured.

Even so, you have to admit that Kagemusha is incredibly sexy. If you don't, they will all know you're lying, and therefore mafia.

CONFESS!!

[Visor]

You know, I really like cheese.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You know, I really like cheese.

Then my evil plan has finally paid off. Now you shall drain every last dime from your bank account as you order pizza after pizza, day after day, until your stomach bursts from the blockage, and I've made off with all your dimes.

[Visor]

HAHA! I don't have any dimes!

[Askthepizzaguy]

HAHA! I don't have any dimes!

And now you know why.

[Visor]

Because I spent it on that knife you wanted. It was for your birthday. Do you like it?

[Diamondeye]

I'm giggling in my grave here guys.

[Renata]

How dare you. Mafia is srz bzns.

[Reenk Roink]

Irrelevant, now that he's dead. Kicking a corpse when he's down? What for, oh fellow blueberry?

I didn't like this either initially, but reading it once more, there is the possibility given the game mechanics of no reveals that he is trying to determine the guilt of one already killed, which is understandable and not actually irrelevant.

I predict that you and Chaotix are scum, actually.

The point of the line you just dropped like a big fake dooky, is not only that you'll be voting for me shortly, but also distancing yourself from Chaotix, so when I inevitably think you're scum, I also don't think Chaotix is scum.

And so, you and Chaotix are now my top suspects. Thanks for assisting me.

This is a bit contrived, but I can see where the connection would be, so this might be worth going for a bit. I don't think it's any stronger than Andres pointing out the obvious bickering between you and Chaotix as a screen either though.

I think Chaotix being at the center of these two accusations is pretty interesting though. At this point (could change after the kill is posted) I would lynch Chaotix even though I think both cases aren't great, because they are some of the only somewhat explicit cases right now, also because of his centrality to both of them, and I'm not sure on this but I think he voted for me this game and we can't leave any of those type of people alive.

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You're trying to make a case out of nothing.

I think your refutation of his case is decent, so I'm wondering why you make a case on him out of nothing as well? Granted, Atpg hasn't tried to refute the case like you have. He has basically resorted to sarcastic dismissals of it, maybe implicitly stating that such an obvious joking link shouldn't be taken seriously?

In the second quote, you're guilty. You're also very serious. And, you're serious for basically the first time in that game.

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But he could counter that he did not X in a very similar Y situation with a Z alignment. And I'm betting there is an example of that out there. Furthermore, as Andres has pointed out (later), your behavior in this game has taken the turn of your previous X behavior in similar situation Y with Z alignment. What does this show? Almost nothing by itself. Even tied in with a preexisting case it reeks of being forced. Not really a good sign, either for a townie or mafia.

Let's focus on the cases dealing mainly and mostly with in game actions, like we have so far. It seems to be the best analytical method (I can't believe I used the positively connotated superlative best to modify analytical methods - anyway do note operative word analytical, I don't wish to imply at all that it is the best method in general).

There's also much hypocrisy in your post.

Hypocrisy requires that the wideranging milieu of the posts in question are similar. Maybe Atpg won't see it that way?

While I made just one joke vote on Chaotix, you have been at his throat for several rounds now, yet last round, you unvoted him and switched to G_E. Odd, seeing how you wanted Chaotix lynched so bad for a long while now.

If there's a connection between scum buddies, than it's between you and Chaotix.

This is a good reply. You should have made your implied accusations of connection a bit more explicit though. I also think you should have pushed the Chaotix unvote thing further.

But I must ask, Atpg seemed to imply that you unovted Chaotix for DE when it was kind of close (though DE was still in the lead). What was the situation like when he unvoted Chaotix for DE? More tight?

Accusing me of hypocrisy? Andres, Andres, Andres.... I am a townie. I can do anything I like, and it doesn't make me guilty. Hypocrisy is the very weakest accusation one can level against someone. It's a mafia game, where we lie, bluff, gambit, and kill. And townies lynch the mafia for being murderers. And we accuse people for accusing people. And we have already been over this so many times in so many games.

I agree that a charge of hypocrisy is fairly weak when trying to adduce guilt, but I think Andres was crying hypocrisy in your case against him, which (as he sees it though not entirely unreasonably) is similar to a case that can be applied to you (and which he has tried to apply).

The hypocrisy charge seems to be used as a defensive stratagem against your accusation rather than an accusatory method. Fairly good response by Andres I'd say.

I carefully mentioned that there may be a connection between two scumbuddies, and you immediately jump at me with walls of text, attacking me from all angles. What you are not doing is addressing my point. In fact, you completely ignore it.

Attack is the best defense, eh?

I did note that defensiveness as well. It should be kept in mind, but nervous flinching is hardly damning and shouldn't be used as such at this point. We have a lot more to go on.

Somewhat off topic: attack is the best defense. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORxD2KFQ4oo

You can throw walls of text at me as much as you want, the fact remains that you have been focusing on Chaotix for a long time, yet when the time comes to vote, you withdraw.

Two possiblities:

a) you're connected;
b) you wanted to keep your scapegoat alive.

FINALLY ANDRES. Could you not have made this clear earlier so it would look a lot worse when evasion was employed?

I think it's b) and you're scum. Together with Scienter. The connection between you and Chaotix is too obvious to be a connection between scumbuddies. The connection between you and Scienter is much more subtle. In the previous round, you flattered me (scumtell) by saying my gut is golden, yet somehow you ended up voting God Emperor.

What the ****? K, maybe thatreaction was too strong, but you seem to be throwing away the entire Chaotix connection but still using it as a guilt indicator. This might work IF YOU HAD ACTUALLY SHOWN US WHAT THE CONNECTION TO SCIENTER WAS. So do that for us now Andres, please.

You're certainly demonstrating such, both in this game and the other one I quoted you from.

Your tactic is the same. Attack the case. Go in with questions. Go on the offensive.

Attack the case, because even if the case is right, you can try to undermine it, by discrediting it.

It doesn't matter if the case is correct IF people no longer have any faith in it ...

Are you accusing him of hypocrisy as a defensive tactic also? BOTH OF YOU DO SOMETHING NEW!

Yes, but when I voted for Chaotix, I put him INTO a tie, allowing an unknown tiebreaker event to possibly sudden death lynch "my partner".

You, on the other hand, have never actually placed Chaotix in any danger whatsoever.

This is what I wanted to see from you earlier. Andres, this is a good reply, how will you respond?

I just said I don't think Chaotix is your partner in the post right above yours'

It's ATPG and Scienter.

Why are YOU getting evasive now Andres? I want to see your response to Atpg's differentiation between his connection to Chaotix and yours.

Up until now, you were attacking hard and saying (some) things worth listening to, whereas Atpg was generally in sarcastic and evasive mode. Atpg finally pulls out a good punch and you have nothing to say about it? This is bad.

By the way, still haven't elaborated on this subtle connection between Atpg and Scienter.

And above that, still, you say something else, which is precisely what I'm referring to.

That second statement was obviously an earlier statement than the first, which he later took back in an attempt to elaborate his most current case. I don't understand why you would quote them together? To make Andres look bad and contradictory?

You could have pointed out that he really never made much of a case against Scienter instead...

Wait, what? I thought Chaotix and I were scumbuddies? How are Pizza and I connected?

I want to know this too. Maybe it is legit, who knows? But the only connection I can remember is that you and Atpg voted closely a round or two earlier. That is QUITE subtle indeed Andres , can you elaborate?

You're still guilty.

I can fully understand being tired of responding to Atpg after a while, and while the post you quoted and then summarized as blah blah blah might not be deserving of anything, his earlier post about the Chaotix connection certainly was.

All you've seem to do is respond to Atpg's off-hand statements and weaker arguments. YOU are the one (at this stage) who has completely avoided the main point.

I mean, it's not like his post was unanswerable. When reading it, I immediately came up with a response suggesting plausible deniability. I'm just wondering why you didn't.

Why are you so eager not to defend yourself and only going for the attack?

He did defend himself though. Why aren't you responding instead of continually attacking him now?

It's not unusual for a scummy Pizza to start sounding frustrated when being pressured.

Oh god. It's not unusual for Reenk to start sounding frustrated when Andres doesn't respond to the most important part of the last 30 posts and all of this bluster and banter gets thrown around.

By the way, since you seem to be implying that Atpg in a way consistent of him being mafia, I've personally seen him do the same kind of sarcasm and jokey schtick as town when he is pressured.

I do wish that instead of doing that, he gutted you for your evasion.

[Reenk Roink]

tl;dr

Pending kill, Chaotix and now Andres seem like the best lynch. Especially if Andres wont (cant?) respond to Atpg and also elaborate about Scienter.

I think Andres did a good job digging his own grave in the second half of this long discussion. He sounds very suspicious. And he wasted a pretty strong performance early on.

[Renata]

Andres never responds to the most important parts of your accusations, even when he's a townie. I think it must be a lawyer thing.

There's something I wanted to highlight, but I have to go out for a while.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Clinton, Iowa
Night 4

It was of no use.

He had been trying to fight it for a few hours now, but there were just some things - primal urges, one might say - that could not go ignored. Tossing and turning in what passed for a bed out here in soggy Clinton, Iowa, he finally gave up. The urges called to him. They would not be denied. With a purpose, the camper finally threw off his covers and sat up straight, reaching out for several possessions that might be of value to him in the journey ahead.

Flashlight? Check. Knife? Check. Chainsaw? Check. Air horn? Check. Every road warrior of America worth his salt knew that it was better to be safe than sorry. Doubly so in this case, heading out in the middle of the night to complete a duty when in all likelihood there was at least one, possibly still two, criminally insane fugitive murderers on the loose, not just in the general vicinity but actually on the same premises too.

B_Ray stepped out of his tent, armed to the teeth, ready to do battle with the menaces of the night. But first, the actual reason why he stepped out of his tent and was tossing and turning for the better part of two hours. He sauntered off to the woods, unzipped himself, and prepared to do his business - since there were no toilets of any sort on the campground.

Unfortunately, he had been watched for the entire time. As prepared as a man can be, as dangerous and alert, somebody is always most vulnerable when going to the bathroom. You were trained from birth to keep entirely focused on the task at hand, and it would take quite a lot to break out of that habit. Four traumatic days were certainly helping with this, but despite all of that they were still only four days. B_Ray needed more time.

And so, as B_Ray was relieving himself in the middle of the thick woods at roughly two in the morning, haphazardly checking around every now and then for signs of movement, it did not even dawn on him that he was missing a key quadrant in his checks - the one from above. B_Ray did not have any time to take out his knife, or chainsaw, or airhorn, or even properly zip back up before his attacked had dive-bombed him from 20 feet above in the nearest tree.

So, the only sound made that night after all was that of B_Ray's bones shattering on impact, enough force acting on him to kill him instantly. His killer, looking pleased with himself, took B_Ray's various equipment for himself and sauntered out of the woods.

The next morning, everyone gathered around nervously while another headcount was being taken. The result was what everyone had feared - they were now down to single digits. This would only serve to compound the increasing sense of urgency the campers had been feeling in recent days, as they prepared for yet another difficult day ahead.

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Still alive: 9
Yaseikhaan
Visorslash
Csargo
Andres
johnhughthom
Scienter
Askthepizzaguy
TheLastDays
Chaotix

Killed:
Renata
robbiecon
Reenk Roink
B_Ray

Executed:
Who am i?
Zack
Diamondeye
God Emperor

It is now Day 5. This phase will conclude in approximately 24 hours.

[Renata]

and a very honest strategy when I am town ^^ I don't mind being lynched, just focus and Chaotix and.. what is his name *checking* , thelastdays, when I am dead

Those last few posts from God Emperor sounded pretty scummy.

EDIT: also, this constant bickering between ATPG and Chaotix is starting to bother me. Both mafiosi hating each other in the public thread is not an unusual scum tactic.

Something about this pair of posts struck me as unnatural coming from Andres. I can't put it into words well, I'm too tired. Just if Andres really was considering GE as scum, why does he bounce off onto ATPG and Chaotix (one of a hypothetically scummy GE's scapegoats, by the way) instead of following up on the implications regarding GE? If he does do that, why preface it with "also" (implying a continuation which is not there) instead of something something like "although", as you might expect if someone had actually just had a drastic shift in their train of thought?

It looks more like the underlying thought process might be "hmm, I could paint GE as scummy, anyone else?" ... "ooh, ATPG and Chaotix might work too". That does have the continuation implied by that "also".

Yeah, I realize I've dropped to a new low here, suspecting someone on the basis of one word.

[Chaotix]

Vote: Askthepizzaguy

[Renata]

[Andres]

@Reenk

Yes, Pizza has put Chaotix into the tie. One of the reasons I don't think they're scumbuddies and why I said it's probably option b), Chaotix is Pizza's scapegoat.

I never made a case against Scienter. I've always said it was a strong gut feeling.

Vote : Scienter