Askthepizzaguy Mafia II: The Revengening [Concluded]

[Diamondeye]

Vote: All Items to Kagemusha

Good, keep up the cover. Remember, "You're a good townie". If you don't believe it yourself, how will they?

[Beskar]

Looks like it wasn't me. Nevermind, no dead chaotics.

[Earthling]

Well, we didn't succeed (or maybe nobody tried) any of my vigilante suggestions. The good news is that the chaotics seem to have far less of a grasp on things than we were worried about. I really think they are panicked and we will have this soon if we bother to try, they seem to have about given up and didn't even try to go for our Innocent group here, plus great to see Kage back. And he really deserves vote: All items to Kagemusha after hanging around while dead for so long and we need him anyway.

Firstly, whatever is with the vig-kill on Believer, obviously bad distractions from Visorslash, but I'd like to put this out there - what is with going after people from the "Renata network." First with robbiecon, Backwards Logic killed him too, now some vig on Believer, did nobody even bother to remember anything about these guys? This is what frustrates me when I have no information. Well, we know who Roman is now and Believer, robbiecon are dead, and God Emperor is the only one left to have major contact with Renata. Now, for me, Earthling, personally, as I've told you people the problem for me on this was that Renata refused to talk to me and kept me at arm's length because I didn't trust her and found her scummy. But I was under the impression that BL or a couple others knew who was part of the "Renata network" and what they did, items they were voted etc. so the kill on Believer was another failure if no one even considered that.

As implied above I just have to say it's great the chaotics killed nobodies and are too cowardly to even touch our Innocent group. What does bother me is that Bow-wow-wow died, possibly without sharing his scan results, really great move there overall. Maybe not though, we'll see if someone was passed along info in private. Everyone else needs to get with the program and we'll have this victory over the chaotics.

Visorslash, I think you should place a max (80 credits) bet on Greyblades and he should do the same on you. If one of you is Innocent, I don't see how you wouldn't find the other, Visor or Greyblades, at least suspicious. Also, if one of you is Innocent, you honestly would have to admit you'd rather keep yourself and try to help the town lynch a chaotic, and also demonstrate your willingness to work with the town, right? If we lynch a chaotic, all good anyway, if we don't lynch a chaotic, the remaining suspect is drained of credits, or if one of you doesn't comply you simply die.

If somebody has a solid case incoming on somebody else of course we can hear it but that's my interim plan, these two are the most active and threatening of likely chaotic scum.

One tangent - I don't believe Red_Spy is chaotic at all. He's far too inactive and kinda new, just breezed through a couple of games where he barely posted with little effort, didn't protest his own lynch in one or do anything in another, was just on vacation a while ago iirc which might have coincided with the early parts of this game in April as he said on CFC, and it just doesn't add up. Red_Spy should be ignored, or we'll steal his credits and leave him hanging anyway, the chances of him being one of the scum killers is too low and if he is he has no allies or friends any other way because of his inactivity and will be found out and lynched eventually anyway.

[Greyblades]

Ignoring the fact that I dont have 80 credits, and I doubt visor slash has that much either, I'm not going to do that just to satisfy you.

[Visor]

Ignoring the fact that I dont have 80 credits, and I doubt greyblades has that much either, I'm not going to do that just to satisfy you.

[Greyblades]

Ok, seriously, cut that out.

[Earthling]

Well sure, because you're not a townie, you and Visor might even be scumbuddies. If one of you is actually Innocent (evil) there's inescapable clarity to this though, because you are top suspects about to be killed otherwise and if someone was really evil and against the chaotics they'd cooperate and try to help us out. Losing a few credits - and if that's really a stickler, well, bet your max bet on Rabbit or someone else you agree could be a scum - is nothing compared to a townie dying or letting a chaotic slip by. Though Visor had some other vague promises up his sleeve a couple days back, a mysterious contact telling him stuff like Warman was Innocent etc. - it's time he revealed just about everything though if he really is town.

That does bring me to one more point again, what looks a bit extra bad on Visorslash - we had another evil, dead South Park Mafia. Now, I will stress again this isn't any perfect theory of cover roles and factions we're working on, except in the case of the South Park mafia, it seems really obvious we'll have a chaotic cover role on the South Park team. Unless there's a situation where they are down to their last living player or something, which should be wrong as there are more potential South Park roles in the previous games list, but then the natural enemies of the team might be pouncing anyway; at the very least it's unexcusable for Visor not to tell us all he can about his faction at this point if he possibly thinks he's town. We're likely going to keep killing off South Park suspects as we come across them until we find the chaotic, so again, random townies who know they have not demonstrated their Innocence, saves everybody time and saves yourselves possibly your own lives to step up and work with us NOW instead of hiding or waiting.

[Greyblades]

No I mean I'm not going to do what you say. Maybe if kage or BL said it I would, but no you've tried to lynch me for days for crap reasons, screw you.

[Visor]

I know who the South Park scum or neutral character is, I just don't know who the player is.

Maybe if kage or BL said it I would, but no you've tried to lynch me for days for crap reasons, screw you.

I've been thinking the same thing.

[Renata]

Welcome back, Kagemusha. :)

[Visor]

Bet 1 credit on............................................................dcmort93

[Crazed Rabbit]

So we don't have much idea who the chaotics are?

CR

[Beskar]

So we don't have much idea who the chaotics are?

CR

Well, I know who they are, but apparently no one wants me to tell them.

[dcmort93]

Visor I'm guessing you wanted me to speak? If so I'll say I'm not at all amused with people mass pm'ing the entire player list and telling them to kill innocents. It sure looks good when one of them or both of them are chaotic but when one is innocent and then a scanner says the other is probably innocent as well. I for one listened to you because there wasn't any outstanding evidence to the contrary but my kill on chaotix was a failure. For now I'll Bet 40 credits on Visorslash for getting innocents killed

[seireikhaan]

Bet: 20 credits on Visorlash

I think you're lying about what you did last night.

[Kagemusha]

Welcome back, Kagemusha. :)

Thank you Madam. Also fos dcmort93 and Yaseikhaan. I have to wonder if you gentlemen truly believe that a chaotic would be foolish enough to place himself on the chopping block like Visor did? Bet: 10 credits on dcmort93 maybe you would like to share what you have been doing as of late?

[Seon]

I know who they are too. Revive me and I will tell you all.

[seireikhaan]

Thank you Madam. Also fos dcmort93 and Yaseikhaan. I have to wonder if you gentlemen truly believe that a chaotic would be foolish enough to place himself on the chopping block like Visor did? Bet: 10 credits on dcmort93 maybe you would like to share what you have been doing as of late?

My issue is that he claimed he was stealing credits last night. I feel that is doubtful- when I attempted to steal from Visorlash last night, he had none.

[Kagemusha]

My issue is that he claimed he was stealing credits last night. I feel that is doubtful- when I attempted to steal from Visorlash last night, he had none.

Lets hope this can be checked from red_spy.

[Romanic]

Stole fourty credits from him last night. So I don't think he has been using credit based actions much, or he got a steal. He visited the thread yesterday, but didn't post.

You were talking about Red_Spy.

How many credits did you attempt to steal from Red_Spy last night? Was it 40 or more?

[dcmort93]

Thank you Madam. Also fos dcmort93 and Yaseikhaan. I have to wonder if you gentlemen truly believe that a chaotic would be foolish enough to place himself on the chopping block like Visor did? Bet: 10 credits on dcmort93 maybe you would like to share what you have been doing as of late?

I've been trying to find my hidden ability and attempting to kill people who I think are suspect but the only one I killed was auto on night 5. Also you vote is invalid as you edited it in

[Romanic]

Allrighty then. So Visorslash , did you kill Believer ?

Vote: Tommy gun,Magnum,Wolfen Fighter and Bear claw to Kagemusha.

In blue, or it might not count.

Vote: Magnum to Romanic
Vote: all other items to Kagemusha

Can I get the Magnum? I already learned defensive abilities and wouldn't mind an extra 20%, if I'm going to be defending again.

[thefluffyone93]

Ah, so Chaotix is Mr.Burns then. Lol, what a spectacular fail.

WROOOOONG!!

I actually remembered to use my Extra Thick glasses this night, and I used it on Chaotix.

AND HE BE- you know what? Screw you guys, I'm going home!

*hint hint*

[Kagemusha]

I've been trying to find my hidden ability and attempting to kill people who I think are suspect but the only one I killed was auto on night 5. Also you vote is invalid as you edited it in

Fold. Thank you for the information. Bet 10 credits on Fluffyone Can you tell the rest of us have we seen your work during any night?

[thefluffyone93]

Fold. Thank you for the information. Bet 10 credits on Fluffyone Can you tell the rest of us have we seen your work during any night?

You asking me or dcmort?

[Kagemusha]

You asking me or dcmort?

You.

[thefluffyone93]

You.

I originally had a 10% bus driver item, but that got jacked by Renata before I was able to do anything with it.
And I only used the glasses one time before, on Renata, and she showed up as Evil.
The glasses are a faction scanning device, with 10% investigatory as well.

EDIT: Now, I must be off. Ta-Ta!

[Romanic]

Also ArpeggiateTHIS . What have you been doing as of late? 40 Bet on a hunch seems like a bit big one. I have gone through your posts in this game and so far you have dodged any situations which might have told anything about you. To the other people. As most must know i am Itchy and Scratchy from South Park Mafia.
If there is anything you would like to tell me so we can get properly organised, please drop me a pm. It would be really nice if i could get those items i voted for as i dont have anything right now, just for self preservation, so my resurrection will not be in vain.

Actually God Emperor is a good bet, here's why.

First, he was one of the four players who learned that I was the reviver, before I claimed in the thread. Renata told him on Day 5, the day after I revived Backwards Logic. The other four players were: Renata, Backwards and [someone I don't want to name, but I trust]. Me being attacked twice implies that the chaotics knew I was an important target, so my guess is that they indeed knew, and it could only be God Emperor.

Second, GE claims that most of his night actions failed. Most of the time, he's been trying to steal, but failed, failed, failed. At 50% success, a purchase steal credits shouldn't fail so often because of this ruling:

Q- What if the dice hate me and I keep failing?
A- There's something in the game design which prevents you from being unrealistically unlucky, and that's all I have to say about that.

Yet GE failed 4 times to steal, out of 5. I don't believe him, failed attempts are a perfect cover to disguise your night actions in this game.

[dcmort93]

Oh and for the record I'm part of darkfalls

[Bow-wow-wow]

Aww mann I'm dead. I shouldn't have revealed that statement I revealed. I was worried that the town was going to think I was chaotic if I didn't reveal that. I had hoped that somebody would heal me because I was about 2-3 turns away from winning the game for us. Oh well, maybe next time.

If I were town I would revive me but I doubt anybody is going to. I'm definately open for being a replacement.