Gay Parenting

[Louis VI the Fat]

I wonder what I would've done. I think I might have spoken out when the waitress claims to speak on behalf of all customers there.


As for TX vs NY: Me, I blame urbanised vs rural. It is always in the city where one will freeze to death while a million people walk by.


Also, I am shocked at the derogatory tone with which these customers adress the waitress. 'You need to be unpolitical and just do your job' - oh, how that would make for a fun thread about differences between Texas and France. I might've stood up for the waitress against these presumptuous customers.

[Shibumi]

I wonder what I would've done. I think I might have spoken out when the waitress claims to speak on behalf of all customers there.


As for TX vs NY: Me, I blame urbanised vs rural. It is always in the city where one will freeze to death while a million people walk by.


Also, I am shocked at the derogatory tone with which these customers adress the waitress. 'You need to be unpolitical and just do your job' - oh, how that would make for a fun thread about differences between Texas and France. I might've stood up for the waitress against these presumptuous customers.

What is wrong with telling someone to do their job?

Or if you made a joke, if so, what was the point of it?

[Strike For The South]

The town they are talking about is in the middle of the metroplex....rural it is not

Face it, Texans are better than you.

[Shibumi]

The town they are talking about is in the middle of the metroplex....rural it is not

Face it, Texans are better than you.

Well, to be honest, all we can tell from this is that one diner in Texas is better than one might have assumed given the general trend in the USA and the heartland in particular.

You have to remember that in civilized countries the topic at large would not even be a question worthy of a TV show.

So yeah, still a lose. Producer had a hunch that Texas would be a good place to shoot this, Texas had people giving thumbs up to an actress waitress. That would not have happened over here.

So in a way, it is a very pitiful victory, do you not agree? All that program showed was that Texas is not as bad as some may think.

[Strike For The South]

1 instance out of 100 is a statistical anomaly. Which is why I don't judge other Swedes

The general trend of the heartland? LOL Texas isn't in the "heartland" and of course the trend you speak of has no basis in credible fact.

The question really is "will people stand up to bullies" other topics on the show include beatings, rape, etc. It isn't necesarily about them being gay

And we see Texans will stand up to bullies at a rate 4x that of New Yorkers

[Shibumi]

Yeah, well, here this thing would not be worthy of TV material.

You actually have this as a political question, as the vote compass recently showed, whereas here it is a non issue. Do you get the point or do I have to be even more clear?

The woman playing the part was in tears because someone stood up for her - here that again would not be an issue.

Someone gave thumbs up and high fived the actress, again, that would not happen here.

So, my point remains - Texas, not as bad as you think.

Do not get me wrong, I absolutely love the Texan hospitality. And no that is not a pun about the girls, I do genuinely like the Texan atmosphere and culture when it comes to strangers like me. I have walked in to quite some bars there and felt at home at once. I had a 70 year old Texan helping me get my luggage up on a train once, he did not even hesitate.

So cred for that, however, do not take too much cred for being the best of the worst when it comes to sticking up for homosexuality.

[Louis VI the Fat]

So, my point remains - Texas, not as bad as you think.

Great. It is exactly my point too: you were wrong about what you thought you knew about Texas.

Edit:*snip*


As for Sweden:

The idea of the country of Sweden, being a country where people are respected and treated equally, can be highly questioned. If you ask people whether this idea is real or not, the answers will differ. This is why we look at a larger picture of the situation, in an objective way.

The most recent, and most covering, report about the health situation for LGBT people on Sweden, gave a clear indication of how the situation actually is. The way you are treated, on the grounds of your sexual orientation, your gender and/or your gender expression, is of course the foundation of feeling well or feeling bad.

According to the Swedish health institute’s report on LGBT people’s health, the general mental health is clearly worse than that of heterosexual, non-transgendered people. The hard facts are that 50 % of the LGBT people in the age of 16-29 has had suicidal thoughts, compared to 17% for the straight people of the same age. When you look at the actual attempt to commit suicide, 15% of the LGB people in the age of 16-29, and 27% of the transgendered, answered that they have tried to. For the straight people of the same age, this figure was 6 %.

Another figure that is very discomforting is that 46% of the gay and bisexual men in the age 16-29 has been subject to violence the last 12 months, compared to 10% for the straight men of the same age. The young lesbian and bisexual women have also experienced violence to a greater extent than the straight comparison, but the difference is not as large as in the case of young men. This group on the other hand have a much larger risk behaviour concerning alcohol than the men, in the same age.

According to the health institute, the discrimination of LGBT people in Sweden is a central democracy issue. It’s the discrimination that leads to risk behaviours concerning alcohol, and also the suicide attempts. The idea of Sweden being a country where everyone’s respected and treated equally is obviously not true.
http://www.stop-homophobia.eu/en/the...in-sweden.html

Half of gays in Sweden contemplate suicide. Half of Swedish gay men have been subjected to violence last year. Ah well, we can't all be Texas.

[Louis VI the Fat]

So in a way, it is a very pitiful victory, do you not agree? All that program showed was that Texas is not as bad as some may think.

It shows that Americans are always more open, friendly, and moral than most everybody else. Yes, moral. It is the European who forever fails to understand that the American struggles to live life right, to do good, to do what is right. Unlike the European. Whose morality is mostly a thin veneer, a social necessity, kept up out of fear for being caught, which is never far away from being cast away when opportunity presents itself.

We've been owned by Texas. In Europe, a waitress can refuse to serve a Gypsie or a Muslim, and the entire place will applaud.

What difference ten years can make in America. A decade ago, homophobia ruled. Ever the open society, America fiercely debated the issue, centered around the issue of gay marriage. It emerged that the American in the end does not want to judge a person for who he is. Consequently, homophobia is now fully on the wane. Meanwhile, Europe is descending into a neandertal populism. And that's enlightened Western Europe. In Eastern Europe, bands of men simply patrol the streets and beat you up for looking Gay, or Jewish, or Black.

[Shibumi]

It shows that Americans are always more open, friendly, and moral than most everybody else. Yes, moral. It is the European who forever fails to understand that the American struggles to live life right, to do good, to do what is right. Unlike the European. Whose morality is mostly a thin veneer, a social necessity, kept up out of fear for being caught, which is never far away from being cast away when opportunity presents itself.

We've been owned by Texas. In Europe, a waitress can refuse to serve a Gypsie or a Muslim, and the entire place will applaud.

What difference ten years can make in America. A decade ago, homophobia ruled. Ever the open society, America fiercely debated the issue, centered around the issue of gay marriage. It emerged that the American in the end does not want to judge a person for who he is. Consequently, homophobia is now fully on the wane. Meanwhile, Europe is descending into a neandertal populism. And that's enlightened Western Europe. In Eastern Europe, bands of men simply patrol the streets and beat you up for looking Gay, or Jewish, or Black.

I really did not get your point, can you summarize for stupid people like me?

I lost you at America being more open and friendly, and the points about America struggling to do good was just garbled. You might want to go into that with further detail.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Well even in the UK, there have been controversies with b&b owners not letting gay guests stay. IIRC Cameron supported them in the past, but has backtracked since becoming PM.

Personally I think business owners should be able to deny service to anyone they don't like the look of. Why can't people just have their space?