Askthepizzaguy Mafia II: The Revengening [Concluded]

[Kagemusha]

One? I think the night writeup will tell something else.

Nevertheless. Your funeral

Wouldnt be my first funerall. You just tell your buddy to sit tight.We are coming for him.

[Diamondeye]

Hey, ATPG:

you are awesome. I had to look twice.

[thefluffyone93]

EVERYONE BE JACKIN MAH STYLE RAWR.

[Romanic]

Okay, Reenkis Roinkis really does have black wings, as we can see on that picture in the last writeup. He was probably the black wings killer, meaning Chaotic was lying about the existence of a serial killer. Arpeg was one, and died on Night 2, so it's looking more likely that all the remaining killers are chaotic.

[Diamondeye]

Okay, Reenkis Roinkis really does have black wings, as we can see on that picture in the last writeup. He was probably the black wings killer

[Earthling]

I actually doubt that. I specifically read through a lot of the game that was linked as the source of the character to check up on it and he was a pure magician/necromancer. No mention of a mace nor does it sound like he was a physical killer.

Though open for discussion. One thing to note is that if we believe he's the killer that means Greyblades is automatically lying, because he claimed to have roleblocked him and the black-wings killer still killed.

At worst we have two chaotics left though. And even if they can kill, we got at least a dozen evil-aligned to take them out, and hopefully any neutrals that are left are not siding with the chaotics.

What I think would be really, really helpful is if the Space Mafia living player would reveal himself. So look:

You definitely should not be chaotic, due to the rest of your faction, and we know it's one of you lurkers, so instead of continuing to lurk and winding up dead, you could remove yourself from any trouble.

Nobody is likely to kill you just for your faction either, because many folks are already full up on actions we'll need against the chaotics and couldn't waste the time and credits, and doubly importantly, now I don't know this firsthand but nobody's suggested otherwise, since Renata escaped alive the people who wanted to "eliminate the Space Mafia" can't even accomplish that so they have no motive to just kill you as an Innocent.

This meteor of course is going to burn up into a small rock no bigger than a chihuahua's head, so no worries there.

[Romanic]

Alright, either way we'll know tonight if Black Wings is still alive and killing.

Earthling, a roleblock doesn't stop all actions, unless it's a "block all actions", and I'm unsure what the mechanism is to decide which action will be blocked. Successfully blocking someone doesn't prove that he wasn't killing that night.

Remind me, what's the faction goal of the Python Mafia?

[Earthling]

It's what both Visorslash and Greyblades claimed their roleblock items do though, block all actions. Remember the deal with Autolycus and Visorslash?

The Pythons' factional enemies are Dark Falls and Bizarro. I know you Evil Mafia have Space and Cosa Nostra as enemies, Bizarros had us and Space Mafia, and Dark Falls had Bizarro and someone. As far as I know nobody's claimed what rivals the Springfield, South Park, Psychotic, Space, or Cosa Nostra teams have.

[Romanic]

It's what both Visorslash and Greyblades claimed their roleblock items do though, block all actions. Remember the deal with Autolycus and Visorslash?

Hrm, Greyblades claimed to me privately that he didn't know if it was a roleblock-all. Where is he claiming differently?

Edit: What deal between Auto and Visor??

[Romanic]

@ATPG

Last tally was:

209 God Emperor (Backwards Logic 15, Earthling 10, Visorslash 10, Psychonaut 15, Skooma Addict 15, Beefy 10, Winston 10, shlin 9, Arpeg 40, Kagemusha 10, Romanic 25, Yaseikhaan 10, acin 30)
10 Fluffy (Subotan 10)


Can you update it to include the bluffs, please?

[Earthling]

Visorslash claimed he was absolutely sure Autolycus wasn't a killer because he roleblocked him once (He didn't explain this till after Autolycus died though, he just kept saying "Autolycus isn't scum and neither am I because of that") Both Greyblades and Visorslash implied the roleblock items they had work the same, and I really don't see why roleblock items would work differently, though I've never had one in my possession to verify what it does.

I've said this before though, Greyblades and Visorslash really don't seem like they are both regular townies each having a normal roleblock item. Their stories are inconsistent with each other even without all the arguments with Renata and vigilante-ing, and it doesn't fully make sense they would be anyway, with neither having ever really done anything else interesting at night.

edit - who do you think is bluffing anyway? Everyone has 10 credits income anyway and as far as I know the people like ACIN probably did have the credits they bet there.

[Romanic]

Visorslash claimed he was absolutely sure Autolycus wasn't a killer because he roleblocked him once (He didn't explain this till after Autolycus died though, he just kept saying "Autolycus isn't scum and neither am I because of that") Both Greyblades and Visorslash implied the roleblock items they had work the same, and I really don't see why roleblock items would work differently, though I've never had one in my possession to verify what it does.

I've said this before though, Greyblades and Visorslash really don't seem like they are both regular townies each having a normal roleblock item. Their stories are inconsistent with each other even without all the arguments with Renata and vigilante-ing, and it doesn't fully make sense they would be anyway, with neither having ever really done anything else interesting at night.

Then Greyblades and Visorslash did not claim that their roleblock was a roleblock-all, you are drawing hasty conclusions on something that could be attributed to lack of knowledge (e,g, awareness that a roleblock doesn't block all actions).

And I don't mind Visorslash saying "Autolycus isn't scum". Trusting your judgment and having the courage to say it out loud, even if you don't have 100% proof, is a good thing. Feel free to attribute this behavior to PIS but I am not.

edit - who do you think is bluffing anyway? Everyone has 10 credits income anyway and as far as I know the people like ACIN probably did have the credits they bet there.

I don't think anyone was bluffing, but this information was given in the previous rounds and I'd like to have it again.

[Greyblades]

Hrm, Greyblades claimed to me privately that he didn't know if it was a roleblock-all. Where is he claiming differently?

Visorslash claimed he was absolutely sure Autolycus wasn't a killer because he roleblocked him once (He didn't explain this till after Autolycus died though, he just kept saying "Autolycus isn't scum and neither am I because of that") Both Greyblades and Visorslash implied the roleblock items they had work the same, and I really don't see why roleblock items would work differently, though I've never had one in my possession to verify what it does.

I've said this before though, Greyblades and Visorslash really don't seem like they are both regular townies each having a normal roleblock item. Their stories are inconsistent with each other even without all the arguments with Renata and vigilante-ing, and it doesn't fully make sense they would be anyway, with neither having ever really done anything else interesting at night.

edit - who do you think is bluffing anyway? Everyone has 10 credits income anyway and as far as I know the people like ACIN probably did have the credits they bet there.

That's nice... care to answer his first question?

[Earthling]

Hrm, Greyblades claimed to me privately that he didn't know if it was a roleblock-all.

Considering this seems against the rules anyway, he couldn't have gone and told someone about an item in private first, it's not even worth addressing if this is all I'm supposed to answer to. Greyblades or Visorslash need to decide what they want to claim in public and say so. Again, we can all read that Visorslash claimed his roleblock was a block-all because it proved to him that Autolycus isn't a killer. I think an explanation of how Greyblades' roleblock item is somehow different is in order or if either of them want to clarify they should do so. For the record I doubt Visorslash is a chaotic now anyway, I've said that before though he may be neutral and nobody really cares about him or his faction right now. And also for the record I don't think God Emperor was the black-wings killer anyway so it wouldn't matter if Greyblades actually roleblocked him or not regarding last night's kills.

[Greyblades]

And again, answer the question.

Where is he claiming differently?

[Romanic]

Considering this seems against the rules anyway, he couldn't have gone and told someone about an item in private first, it's not even worth addressing if this is all I'm supposed to answer to. Greyblades or Visorslash need to decide what they want to claim in public and say so. Again, we can all read that Visorslash claimed his roleblock was a block-all because it proved to him that Autolycus isn't a killer. I think an explanation of how Greyblades' roleblock item is somehow different is in order or if either of them want to clarify they should do so. For the record I doubt Visorslash is a chaotic now anyway, I've said that before though he may be neutral and nobody really cares about him or his faction right now. And also for the record I don't think God Emperor was the black-wings killer anyway so it wouldn't matter if Greyblades actually roleblocked him or not regarding last night's kills.

Already answered the bold part but let me do it again: If someone believes his roleblock is enough to innocent someone from being a killer, it only shows a misinterpretation of the rules (roleblock-all vs roleblock). It's not scummy.

Saying that Visor claimed his roleblock was a block-all isn't right. He didn't claim that.

[Diamondeye]

I think you should focus on correcting Earthling whenever he's wrong or deliberately misinterpreting things. You have 85 pages to sort through, just pick an end and get started.

[Jolt]

EVERYONE BE JACKIN MAH STYLE RAWR.

[Visor]

I think you should focus on correcting Earthling whenever he's wrong or deliberately misinterpreting things. You have 85 pages to sort through, just pick an end and get started.

I got a better idea.

[seireikhaan]

Okay, we might be going just a teensy bit far with the meme stuff.

[ArpeggiateTHIS]

Okay, we might be going just a teensy bit far with the meme stuff.

Seconded.

[thefluffyone93]

Okay, we might be going just a teensy bit far with the meme stuff.

[Earthling]

If someone believes his roleblock is enough to innocent someone from being a killer, it only shows a misinterpretation of the rules (roleblock-all vs roleblock). It's not scummy.

I don't know why you are having trouble with this because nobody is saying it. I'm not saying Visorslash is scummy because of this, I didn't say Visorslash was scummy at all in this conversation, as in fact as metioned before I don't think Visorslash is a chaotic now with what we know about his faction as myself and others have said again. Are you claiming to be speaking for Visorslash here after all or what? Nobody is questioning whether Visorslash roleblocked Autolycus or whether that matters. What I am saying is that there's got to be one clear answer one way or another how roleblock items work and nobody with a minor roleblock item should experience it having significantly different effects from others without an explanation.

[Visor]

So now you're saying I'm not scum?

[Crazed Rabbit]

It occurs to me that resurrecting a townie person and giving them all sorts of items to make them nigh-on invincible might be game breaking (a la Kagemusha).

ATPG is a very good host, which makes me think he wouldn't do something that could lead to a game breaking situation. Which means Kage is killable or there's the potential he won't always be townie after resurrection.

CR

[Romanic]

I don't know why you are having trouble with this because nobody is saying it. I'm not saying Visorslash is scummy because of this, I didn't say Visorslash was scummy at all in this conversation, as in fact as metioned before I don't think Visorslash is a chaotic now with what we know about his faction as myself and others have said again. Are you claiming to be speaking for Visorslash here after all or what? Nobody is questioning whether Visorslash roleblocked Autolycus or whether that matters. What I am saying is that there's got to be one clear answer one way or another how roleblock items work and nobody with a minor roleblock item should experience it having significantly different effects from others without an explanation.

Why are you yappin' and yappin' about Visorslash if you don't think he's chaotic?

Why am I even arguing with you when I should know better? You're such a distraction.

[Romanic]

It occurs to me that resurrecting a townie person and giving them all sorts of items to make them nigh-on invincible might be game breaking (a la Kagemusha).

ATPG is a very good host, which makes me think he wouldn't do something that could lead to a game breaking situation. Which means Kage is killable or there's the potential he won't always be townie after resurrection.

CR

You're right. Seon had a conversion item, to recruit a player into the chaotic team, but Renata stole it early in the game.

Now the question is: Is there another conversion mechanism?

[Askthepizzaguy]

@ATPG

Last tally was:

209 God Emperor (Backwards Logic 15, Earthling 10, Visorslash 10, Psychonaut 15, Skooma Addict 15, Beefy 10, Winston 10, shlin 9, Arpeg 40, Kagemusha 10, Romanic 25, Yaseikhaan 10, acin 30)
10 Fluffy (Subotan 10)

Can you update it to include the bluffs, please?

No one bluffed over their actual amount this time.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It occurs to me that resurrecting a townie person and giving them all sorts of items to make them nigh-on invincible might be game breaking (a la Kagemusha).

ATPG is a very good host, which makes me think he wouldn't do something that could lead to a game breaking situation. Which means Kage is killable or there's the potential he won't always be townie after resurrection.

CR

I've been sloppier than my usual hosting this game, but I can confirm that there isn't anything breaking about the game presently. Everyone can die, anyone can lose. As for who is trustworthy, that I can't comment on. ;)

[Earthling]

It occurs to me that resurrecting a townie person and giving them all sorts of items to make them nigh-on invincible might be game breaking (a la Kagemusha).

ATPG is a very good host, which makes me think he wouldn't do something that could lead to a game breaking situation. Which means Kage is killable or there's the potential he won't always be townie after resurrection.

No, I don't think so on the revived townies being a threat for becoming chaotics, not going to happen, as pointed out there was conversion that seems to be gone now too. You might also recall that some townies were actually declared un-revivable because presumably the overwhelming skill and talent of them and their allies would have been too great to give the scum no chance. But we work with what we've got.

Roman, the only reason Visorslash was brought up at all, was because of you forgetting his claim about roleblocking Autolycus. It's only a mention of how roleblock items supposedly work, I do believe that Visorslash did roleblock Autolycus whatever else the case is about him. It's not Visorslash that mattered, and in fact since you haven't come down on a position at all regarding Reenkis Roinkis I'm not sure what matters to you either. If you believe that God Emperor was a nightkiller and somebody else claimed to roleblock him, that's the problem that was pointed out, but I don't think he was the black-wings killer anyway, to be clear on that.