Askthepizzaguy Mafia II: The Revengening [Concluded]

[Earthling]

I don't understand Romanic betting on me just because Earthling decided to place everything he has on me all of a sudden. That sounds like typical Earthling, charging in with everything when he thinks he is right. He brings up what happened in the very beginning when I lost control of myself over a game, and that is fine if he wants to look into that, but I just don't know if he remembers the actual circumstances surrounding me at the time. Ask the members that frequent the backroom about my anger or "passion" as some might politely say that I show from time to time when my real life frustrations get into my online persona.

Direct lie and really a complete strawman here. In the same post, just avoiding quote trees, you lied about every over thing I mentioned, such as I didn't try to disassemble the BL/Kage group and you lied about being scanned. You must have known better too that you couldn't possibly believe a regular faction scan fully proved your Innocence, and you told me in private you were "sure" that you had been full scanned by BL, you were just lying until you were corrected by Backwards Logic on the thread.

I've got a better idea though, which is that I request the game host act on a purposeful rules violation in post #2598. Which if it is the host has warned people several times about breaking the rules and it's not fair to those who are following the rules (even other dead folks like Beskar who tried really hard and did manage to stay within the rules, all to their credit). So we'll see what Seon is up to ;)

[a completely inoffensive name]

Direct lie and really a complete strawman here.

NOPE! You are wrong:

So I suggest we lynch acin or Psychonaut, but since Earthling is already pushing 100 on acin, it could be useless to be voting Psychonaut at this point.

bet: 10 credits on acin

Also, if the player who killed Link is still alive, I'd like to hear from him, publicly or privately. Alternatively you can speak with Kage, if you don't trust me.

In the same post, just avoiding quote trees, you lied about every over thing I mentioned, such as I didn't try to disassemble the BL/Kage group

Strawman. Never Said you were trying to disassemble BL/Kage I said you tried to get a group of your own going. Shall I bring up the message you sent to everyone?

and you lied about being scanned.

Nope. Already address this, was working under the assumption that BL and Romanic did not trust me due to my behavior in previous games.

You must have known better too that you couldn't possibly believe a regular faction scan fully proved your Innocence, and you told me in private you were "sure" that you had been full scanned by BL, you were just lying until you were corrected by Backwards Logic on the thread

Earthling's Logic:
A) Person A thinks something is true.
B) Person A was mistaken.
C) SCUM!!!!!!

[Earthling]

Stop lying. You continue to quote what I say and simply lie about it. Everybody here can read and that should include you.

So once again.

He brings up what happened in the very beginning when I lost control of myself over a game, and that is fine if he wants to look into that, but I just don't know if he remembers the actual circumstances surrounding me at the time. Ask the members that frequent the backroom about my anger or "passion" as some might politely say that I show from time to time when my real life frustrations get into my online persona.

This is a complete lie and you must have known it was a complete lie when you posted it. Don't tell me you didn't read literally the past 10 posts on the game thread, that's pathetic.

The arguing that you somehow didn't know BL didn't scan you is pointless nonsense just for you to say "I didn't lie." If you were paying attention at all it was clear who BL was scanning since he got voted his item, and you kept bringing up again and again that being scanned cleared your name. You haven't even addressed why you would assume a basic factional scan, that doesn't see through cover roles, from someone like fluffy or Kage would have cleared you entirely anyway.

[a completely inoffensive name]

I am going to make a wall of quotes here showing how baseless Earthling is. These are unedited quotes from a conversation me and Earthling have been having in PM.

So Earthling, I know you rarely change your mind when you have set your eyes on someone, but please take a look at my argument and please ask yourself if I could somehow escape being exposed as a serial killer when I have been scanned by both Fluffy and BL. Serial killers would not be able to escape scans. Most of the chaotics could not escape scans.

Don't be stubborn like you were with MRD. This is the end game, and it could all end at any moment if the evil's make a bad mistake.

Your argument is completely worthless and so is this PM. It's obviously so too, there is no evidence you've been scanned by a foolproof scan that sees through cover roles. Everything else is even worse, the only alternative to you being guilty is that Seon is killing from the dead? Seon was setting you up with all his kills since Night One of the game when he didn't even know he'd die by retaliation? I know earlier you complained that people like Greyblades or Visorslash or Psychonaut must be guaranteed Innocents, but your defense is really that Seon is killing from the dead rather than just naming two other suspicious people as the scum?

Dude, read beyond the thesis statement. Seon's character in The Shadow War survived death. Everyone's character has abilities linked to what they did in their original mafia game that ATPG took from.

I am pretty sure BL scanned me, is that not foolproof? BL's scan can see through cover roles.

BL did not scan you unless he scanned you last night and already told you so. Which is extremely doubtful, because it seems he hasn't been online at all yet, and why he would tell you and nobody else that he usually would tell (like Kage and Roman) makes no sense.

Your arguments are terrible and you are scum. I don't know why you think you can convince me either, you haven't even addressed the vast majority of valid points I actually made (not lies that I didn't say) such as the problem of faction cover roles and who else you suspect is chaotic in your place if you protest your Innocence.

I will tell you one other interesting thing though that confirms you are scum.

You see, I am one of the most capable and effective Innocents around, game after game, period. Combine that with the usual Cassandra Syndrome, and it's actually bad of me that I forgot to check up better on people who agreed with me for no reason. The average Innocent, 95% of the time, is not a good enough player to figure out the things I correctly figure out myself through skillful analysis. Therefore when somebody else seems to actually use critical thinking and figure something out in agreement with me, they aren't actually Innocent. They are a scum who has ulterior motives or advance knowledge. Case in point this game - I was the only living Innocent intelligent and astute enough to figure out Renata shouldn't be trusted. I directly warned many other Innocents of entirely truthful and accurate things, that Renata was lying about her night actions, wasting other people's credits, hoarding items, and refusing to reveal even basic things about her faction when she was even a faction enemy of many of these others who we now know are Innocent. But all the actual Innocents played right into CS as usual and went along with Renata. Everybody else alive who was against Renata - God Emperor, Diamondeye, Chaotix, were all really scum who secretly just didn't want Renata to gain power and threaten them. Same goes for you.

:p

Please list your valid points so I may address them then.

They are listed in thread. I could list non-valid points that taunt you as a member of the scum instead. But you can bother to read or I'm not wasting my time.

I got my reason's but I am not going to give them in a clear and easily refuted list because I got scummy things to do.

Ok that last one was made up.

[Earthling]

ACIN seems to want to leave out the part (edit - well, he grudgingly put it there at the bottom) where he said he would ignore any valid arguments anyway and I told him I was only going to give him joke responses that don't help the scum anyway.

There are no downsides to lynching you at all today, especially to people who are not me or on your faction, I'm willing to lose my credits if wrong but it's worth it to get rid of scum and help the Innocent cause, and would save any minimal losses from the other important townies like BL or Roman anyway.

[a completely inoffensive name]

This is a complete lie and you must have known it was a complete lie when you posted it. Don't tell me you didn't read literally the past 10 posts on the game thread, that's pathetic.

What exactly am I lying about? That Romanic brought up me getting angry at the beginning of the game as a clue for scummyness or that I get too emotional on the org? I literally said, Romanic brought up this point but I disagree about it because of x and people fro mthe backroom can verify and somehow I managed to fit a lie in there?

The arguing that you somehow didn't know BL didn't scan you is pointless nonsense just for you to say "I didn't lie."

Why? I gave a very good reason why I expected myself to have been scanned. Why is this nonsense?

If you were paying attention at all it was clear who BL was scanning since he got voted his item, and you kept bringing up again and again that being scanned cleared your name.

I'm sorry if I can't read every single post in the thread seeing how 30 pages of it is you attacking MRD. And we all know how that went...

You haven't even addressed why you would assume a basic factional scan, that doesn't see through cover roles, from someone like fluffy or Kage would have cleared you entirely anyway.

Serial killers are not as powerful as chaotics. Period. It takes a super scan to find a chaotic but it doesn't take a super scan to find a serial killer. That's how mafia games work usually. Power isn't equal among all scum.

If I was a serial killer, fluffy or kage would have had a chance at exposing me. That's a fact and you can't deny that.

[a completely inoffensive name]

ACIN seems to want to leave out the part (edit - well, he grudgingly put it there at the bottom) where he said he would ignore any valid arguments anyway and I told him I was only going to give him joke responses that don't help the scum anyway.

Where did I say that you liar!

There are no downsides to lynching MRD at all today, especially to people who are not me or on MRD's faction, I'm willing to lose my credits if wrong but it's worth it to get rid of scum and help the Innocent cause, and would save any minimal losses from the other important townies like BL or Roman anyway.

Gee, where have I heard this before?

[Earthling]

This is so completely worthless that I'm done here, will let others read and respond after this post since going in circles with a likely scum is spamming up the thread. I've made my points. I do agree I would love to learn more about Psychonaut and Greyblades, best if they themselves show up, I'd appreciate if BL would just tell us what he knows about their factions at least even if they don't show up.

First, you backtrack and lie again because you bothered to read the thread and wanted to claim it was Romanic who talked about the Zack outburst. Ergo Romanic is not Earthling, therefore you lied that I made it an issue. My accusation against you was for the reasons stated of what you do being unknown, the strong possibility of a cover role of yours for the faction you are "supposed" to be on, and process of elimination when other people are known to be not chaotic.

You can't possibly be serious that you believe a basic scan would have exposed a serial killer if you were one. Your point literally, painfully contradicts not only basic mafia game theory (serial killers can't be more powerful as an individual role than other scum? What?) but prior examples in the game itself. A proven serial killer had a cover role just like that chaotics have cover roles. Nobody who was otherwise non-evil aligned could have been exposed by a basic scan either, including Renata whose victory condition was mostly serial-killerish too. Nobody at all should believe your point is even close to true.

[a completely inoffensive name]

I KNEW IT!

DAY THREE HAS THE EVIDENCE! DAY THREE HAS THE EVIDENCE!

Finally. Forum hiccup prevented me from doing anything but the tally so far. And, seriously, a close one.

LYNCH

civplayah- 161 (2 Chaotix, 19 ACIN, 30 Warman, 20 Crazed Rabbit, 30 Fluffy. 30 Blackadder, 30 MRD

MRD- 160 (30 Earthling, 1 Visorslash 15 Robbiecon, 30 Romanic, 15 Zack, 10 Believer, 2 Link, 10Autolycus, 5 Renata, 10 shlin, 1 Jolt, 1 B_ray, 30 choxorn,
Earthling- 35 (30 Subotan, 5 Bow,
Subotan- 23 (5 dcmort, 3 Diamondeye, 2 Ironside, 5 Red_Spy, 8 myth,
ACIN- 16 (8 God Emperor, 5 Psychonaut, 3 DIY
Seon- 3 (3 Gamez,
Chaotix- 1 (1 Beskar,



Gosh, it would be great if someone could double-check this tally for me. In all seriousness, I'd hate for someone to die or lose out on an item due to a miscount.

I was very careful but mistakes are possible in a multipage thread where there seem to be a hundred vote posts or more.

Why would a bet on Seon count, IF HE WAS ALREADY DEAD!?!?

[a completely inoffensive name]

This is so completely worthless that I'm done here, will let others read and respond after this post since going in circles with a likely scum is spamming up the thread. I've made my points. I do agree I would love to learn more about Psychonaut and Greyblades, best if they themselves show up, I'd appreciate if BL would just tell us what he knows about their factions at least even if they don't show up.

hahahahahah, I'm right and you are wrong. see above post.

First, you backtrack and lie again because you bothered to read the thread and wanted to claim it was Romanic who talked about the Zack outburst. Ergo Romanic is not Earthling, therefore you lied that I made it an issue. My accusation against you was for the reasons stated of what you do being unknown, the strong possibility of a cover role of yours for the faction you are "supposed" to be on, and process of elimination when other people are known to be not chaotic.

hahaahha you can't read. I said:
1) I don't understand Romanic betting on me for this.
2) Earthling is being his typical wrong self.
3) Romanic brings up...

You can;t read throguh my poor grammer and paragraph structure!!! lololol

But seriously, I *was* referencing Romanic not you. Your sentence should have been in parentheses. I was talking about this:

And do you remember when acin was accused early in the game, by Renata, Zack and GE?


Strong reaction to being accused = Scummy.

You can't possibly be serious that you believe a basic scan would have exposed a serial killer if you were one. Your point literally, painfully contradicts not only basic mafia game theory (serial killers can't be more powerful as an individual role than other scum? What?) but prior examples in the game itself. A proven serial killer had a cover role just like that chaotics have cover roles. Nobody who was otherwise non-evil aligned could have been exposed by a basic scan either, including Renata whose victory condition was mostly serial-killerish too. Nobody at all should believe your point is even close to true.

What would be the point of a basic scan if they were worthless bro?

[a completely inoffensive name]

But seriously. I want to know if that bet on Seon on day 3 was legit or a mistake.

ATPG needs to clarify if that bet was legit. If it was legit, then you can kill Seon again.

EDIT: This game is giving me such a thrill.

[Askthepizzaguy]

But seriously. I want to know if that bet on Seon on day 3 was legit or a mistake.

ATPG needs to clarify if that bet was legit. If it was legit, then you can kill Seon again.

EDIT: This game is giving me such a thrill.

Bet on day 3 was legit.

[a completely inoffensive name]

YES! I WAS RIGHT!

Bet 100 credits on Seon

[Earthling]

Looks like we finally caught Sephiroth then. It's a nice tactic trying to sell out Seon to buy yourself a day though.

Though Greyblades and Psychonaut, it would be great again if you could show up and share just a little bit about yourselves. If you are Innocent it should be no trouble at all, even if you are neutral but non-chaotic you should still do it. You know if you guys yourselves are not chaotic that the list of other people who could be Sephiroth is very short, ie. ACIN.

[a completely inoffensive name]

It does seem like clear proof that you are Sephiroth. Good game, your tactics were a little underhanded and insulting regarding several players over the course of the game but for the big kahuna it's understandable

So now I am not the serial killer but Sephiroth? lol cool story bro.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Looks like we finally caught Sephiroth then. It's a nice tactic trying to sell out Seon to buy yourself a day though.

Though Greyblades and Psychonaut, it would be great again if you could show up and share just a little bit about yourselves. If you are Innocent it should be no trouble at all, even if you are neutral but non-chaotic you should still do it. You know if you guys yourselves are not chaotic that the list of other people who could be Sephiroth is very short, ie. ACIN.

lol scummy player trying to paint me as scummy.

And if Gamez had not accidentally put down a bet on Seon you would still be sitting there claiming that I am the serial killer.

EDIT: Or...it could be....you Earthling! Dun dun duuuuuuuuun

EDIT 2: Getting food and doing homework for tonight, so I will be semi afk for the rest of the night.

[Earthling]

I never claimed you were a serial killer. Another complete lie on your part Seph.

If you'd care to revive that bet you proposed about Visorslash + Greyblades + Psychonaut and add some conditional on you being Sephiroth, with appropriate consequences otherwise if I am wrong, I'm willing to discuss terms though.

Also, more seriously, basic, basic strategy for the town here. We have to lynch Sephiroth to stop his meteor/win the game, and the sooner the better it seems. It's great to have this all confirmed about Seon but this only makes it really easy for us to block and handle him at night, and only hastens the importance of getting Sephiroth since this seems to be a "last chaotic alive" trigger for sure now. Sephiroth is a living player and has to be caught and Blackwings isn't and if we don't get him first we'll either win anyway or can do it the next day. If you ACIN were really town you'd bet all you could on your suspect from the Greyblades/Psychonaut list since by your own logic one of them would have to be Sephiroth.

[a completely inoffensive name]

I never claimed you were a serial killer. Another complete lie on your part Seph.

What were you accusing of then Earthling? See that is what makes you so untrustworthy. Your opinion always seems to change when you can't argue your way out like a lawyer and yet you always seem to be so steadfast in whatever pops out of your mouth next.

If you'd care to revive that bet you proposed about Visorslash + Greyblades + Psychonaut and add some conditional on you being Sephiroth, with appropriate consequences otherwise if I am wrong, I'm willing to discuss terms though.

Hmph, your lack of a foot to stand on shows when you start bringing up bets that you dismissed immediately earlier in the game when people still ignored you and your wall of texts.

Also, more seriously, basic, basic strategy for the town here. We have to lynch Sephiroth to stop his meteor/win the game, and the sooner the better it seems. It's great to have this all confirmed about Seon but this only makes it really easy for us to block and handle him at night, and only hastens the importance of getting Sephiroth since this seems to be a "last chaotic alive" trigger for sure now. Sephiroth is a living player and has to be caught and Blackwings isn't and if we don't get him first we'll either win anyway or can do it the next day. If you ACIN were really town you'd bet all you could on your suspect from the Greyblades/Psychonaut list since by your own logic one of them would have to be Sephiroth.

Great plan Earthling, we have to stop that meteor, yes, no one ever thought of that. You would be right about blocking Seon if your candidate for Sephiroth didn't completely refute every single one of your arguments until all you had was assertions from your gut feeling.

If you were really town you would always, always vote on the sure thing. That is mafia 101. You don't let confirmed scum live in favor of going on a wild goose chase with 10 other people. Again, you try to lead us all in the wrong direction.

I know that one of those people from the Greyblades/Psychonaut list is Sephiroth, but I don't know which and I am not going kill one of them and have it be wrong and have the mafia inch ever closer to the same # of people as the chaotics. Is that what you want Earthling? To have another innocent die in a wild goose chase and have the balance of town:mafia even more out of whack?

I have proven over this game with my actions that I am not Sephiroth, and I have just proven that I am not black wings. If I was seph I wouldn't even need expose Seon to save myself. No one would have guessed that seon is still alive and everyone would have gone about killing each other until it was just seon and the last evil person AKA chaotic win. But I just put a damper on that, right on time for you to pull the "this proves he is sephiroth" card, because someone as experienced in mafia such you surely must have considered that it is very easy for scum to accuse townies who are doing well at exposing mafia that they have "inside information". :rollseyes:

This is why everyone should know I am town, because for all the bull you have thrown in my direction, I am still not calling for your head because I know you are being just as pig headed as ever. After we deal with this confirmed threat you can bet my next action will be Greyblades, Psycho or Visor just as my list calls. But I am being the good townie right now and am playing by the rules. Kill confirmed threats.

[Visor]

You have done well my son.

Fold; Bet 10 credits on Seon

The end could quite possibly be nigh.

[Visor]

If I was to bet on Subotan today, would that be a valid bet?

Got a bunch of questions, so fire away.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Got a bunch of questions, so fire away.

If you mean should Subotan get enough credits to be lynched, then the outcome of the round would be Subotan being lynched.

I can't reveal if the outcome would be good or bad. But yeah, it would be considered valid, and the person in question will be lynched, regardless of their alive or dead status.

[Visor]

Subotan is dead, so would a vote on him be valid?

Just going through the motions.

[Askthepizzaguy]

See above response. Yes, I will count such a wager and consider it valid.

[Visor]

But.... he's dead. So it'll be a waste of a lynch. There must be reasoning behind it though.

So either it does nothing, or we kill an active Chaotic. What is it to be?

[Askthepizzaguy]

It could very well be a waste of a lynch.

In case it is relevant, I've even had games where I allowed the players to lynch me, and I put myself among the dead, even though that didn't do anything.

So I'm not saying me letting you guys lynch the dead necessarily means there's a dead guy that needs to be lynched. I'm just saying it is a valid option.

It will either be an hilarious waste of time, or an hilarious non-waste of time.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Why do you do this to me ATPG?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why do you do this to me ATPG?

Because I enjoy watching you all suffer.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Well, I am still sticking by my hypothesis. If I am wrong...I will gladly take the consequences.

[naut]

Main suspect to be the (remaining?) chaotic is Psychonaut.

Mostly because most other players have alibis not to be chaotic and Psychonaut doesn't.

Bollox. I'm in the last three write-ups killing lurkers. Unless I can kill in two distinctly separate ways then there is no way I'm a Chaotic.

Though I must say, nice argument, wrong conclusion.

[Visor]

A completely inoffensive name
ArpeggiateTHIS2
Beefy187
Greyblades
Psychonaut
Winston Hughes
Yaseikhaan

6 possible suspects.....

Currently, I shall Fold; Bet 1 credit on ArpegiatteTHIS2