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    Default Re: War on Drugs has Failed... and in Other News the Sky is Blue

    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    No, but here it's freely available and users aren't criminals to the law, it doesn't solve anything, just less people in jail. War on drugs is a war on people who you can't outbudget there is no solution, can gloat about how your (well your and Mexico's guv) efforts are a faillure but what would you suggest instead. Drugs isn't all that harmful why not count yourself lucky that it's pretty harmless as currency. Women, weapons and illegal immigrants are also lucrative, just less, best to keep it like that, a little bit of bad for the greater good. Take the draught, what changed when it was lifted, certainly not the maffia for the better
    I'm amazed you would rather lock people in jail often ruining their lives and breaking up families rather than let them indulge in a habit that hurts no one besides themselves. Legalizing drugs would often have the added benefit of allowing the government easier access to tracking them and offering the treatment they need to get clean.

    Dealers should be prosecuted, and efforts should be made to strangle supply, that will drive up prices not just for users, but for dealers as well. The real problem though is that we can't easily attack the growers, so as prices rise on the street in the West so do their profits.

    Still, these substances are life-destroying and legitimising and de-stigmatising them is not an answer.
    First, you are lumping all drugs together and categorizing them as "life destroying" this is 100% not true what so ever. The only reason they are life destroying is that the state destroys lives enforcing this stupid drug war. Second, for the ones like meth and heroin that actually can do a person great physical harm, I'd much rather have them de-stigmatize so, like a said before, these people would more inclined to seek help from the state.

    Not changing anything remains the best idea, it's better when drugs are a hidden currency for a hidden market. You really don't want to devaluate it it will be a nightmare
    You are being quite the hypocrite aren't you? You admit to using illegal drugs, but would rather keep them illegal because it really doesn't effect you. I have news for you, it is the war on drugs is already causing a nightmarish scenario.

    drugs should not be destigmatized. They are not good for you and should never be encouraged...... also not all drugs should be legalized. Do you really want legal meth and crack heads running around
    Once again, please for the love of god, stop lumping all drugs together. Drugs like cannabis, LSD, mushrooms, escstasy, khat, and other soft drugs have been shown to be relatively harmless in moderation and much less dangerous than alcohol.

    And yes, I'd rather have legal crackheads and methheads running around than illegal ones. You seem to live in a fantasy world where obtaining these hard drugs is impossible simply because they are illegal; this is simply not true.
    Are you sure it's worse, or rather worse than it would be with legal drugs?

    As far as I can see the stigma has already gone, and that's why we see rising use - so the solution is to re-stigmatise it; as well as cutting the supply chain.

    The problem is with the term "war", we have a constant "war" on murder and a "war" of burglery, I'm sure if you checked the stats you'd find more burgleries today as well, but I don't see anyone saying we should stop enforcing those laws. There is not, so far as I can see, a problem with the current situation except in the minds of the general public.
    Yes I am sure. Portugual legalized small amount of heroin in 2001 and over a decade heroin use has dropped by half.

    Please don't compare murder and burgerly to the war on drugs. The former is blatant violation on anther's natural rights while the latter is the individual's business. I don't think anyone is suggesting not punishing drug users if they commit crimes.
    Last edited by Ice; 06-04-2011 at 05:46.



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