War on Drugs has Failed... and in Other News the Sky is Blue

[Fragony]

Was there a bloodbath when Prohibition ended? I don't recall there being one.

Legalise the drugs, tax them and move revenues to the governments, not the criminals. Only by placing the margins under pressure will the problems be improved.

How can you be so naive, as if these facilitaties that grow legal won't be attacked, wait for the for the first youtube video's of American necks meeting an electrical buzzsaw. Government will certainly be less hardcore than crime kartels they cut down

[Crazed Rabbit]

How can you be so naive, as if these facilitaties that grow legal won't be attacked, wait for the for the first youtube video's of American necks meeting an electrical buzzsaw. Government will certainly be less hardcore than crime kartels they cut down

That makes no sense.

Why in the world would you have a gang and go out killing people when you could just grow your own weed legally?

CR

[a completely inoffensive name]

Society is stronger than what most people think. People like to talk about how the newest generation is the worst to ever come about since Aristotle. People think that without a mommy and daddy that everything will fall apart, despite the fact there are more screw ups living in their parents (AKA mom and dad) basement's at 29 then there are kids broken because both their parents had the same genitals.

Drugs are not going to kill society. Like with most things, drugs are a symptom that society is broken not a cause of breakage. If you have rampant drug use, you might want to ask yourself why people want to escape so much. The real reason why Portugal has lower drug use despite it's liberal drug laws? It's because their society is healthier and it shows from it's interaction with their government. They don't need government to cover up the symptoms of a bad society.

Also, alcohol, a terrible, terrible drug is abused, has done more to bring people together than anything other human invention until the internet. Fact.

[Viking]

Also, alcohol, a terrible, terrible drug is abused, has done more to bring people together than anything other human invention until the internet. Fact.

I think you are forgetting wars.

[a completely inoffensive name]

I think you are forgetting wars.

Nah, wars are cheap paint jobs that don't actually unify. Alcohol brings families together, it loosen lips and legs and it allows people share and build relationships that last for a lifetime. Wars are temporary collaborations that actually do the exact opposite, they destroy and destroy until there is nothing left to destroy but the collaboration itself.

[Viking]

Alcohol brings families together

Quite the opposite..

it allows people share and build relationships that last for a lifetime.

No, it is the human nature that allows that.

Wars are temporary collaborations that actually do the exact opposite, they destroy and destroy until there is nothing left to destroy but the collaboration itself.

They are temporary, but they can make a big lasting difference. They could remove centuries old rivalry in a nation/area and replace it with a co-operative and more united future.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Quite the opposite..

I guess it depends on the family. My family always has a fun time when my grandma, aunt and other elder relatives break out the wine and start reminiscing about embarrassing/awesome stories during Thanksgiving/Easter/Christmas/any other holiday they come over.

No, it is the human nature that allows that.

Not really. Alcohol is a social lubricant. If people didn't need it, they wouldn't do it. You can make more friends in uni by going to parties frequently than any other way. Those that are already friendly become even more friendly and those that are more introverted like me, become more social after a few. You seem to be making the claim that alcohol is not needed to become social and network and yet it is used so much exactly for that purpose.

They are temporary, but they can make a big lasting difference. They could remove centuries old rivalry in a nation/area and replace it with a co-operative and more united future.

If one side completely wipes out the other, then yes. France/England didn't get along because they finally reached a certain threshold of wars. Free market and financial dependence created peace. What instance has there been where both sides suddenly became best friends after killing each other?

[Fragony]

That makes no sense.

Why in the world would you have a gang and go out killing people when you could just grow your own weed legally?

CR

Because you can't compete with the kartels, Mexico can't even fight them military do you think they will accept the loss of their greatest market. If you grow it yourself the people doing it are going to be at the receiving end of an electrical buzzsaw very soon, you will import all the horror the kartels have to offer, everyone affiliated with destroying their profits will be a target, better get used to whole family's being killed like in Mexico you will really be at war

[a completely inoffensive name]

Because you can't compete with the kartels, Mexico can't even fight them military do you think they will accept the loss of their greatest market. If you grow it yourself the people doing it are going to be at the receiving end of an electrical buzzsaw very soon, you will import all the horror the kartels have to offer, everyone affiliated with destroying their profits will be a target, better get used to whole family's being killed like in Mexico you will really be at war

Except if drugs were legalized it really wouldn't be average people growing and selling on their own, it would be corporations. You telling me that the cartels are going to start blowing up Philip Morris's weed division headquarters?

If drugs are legalized, than you have more players getting involved than just the cartels and the cartels can't kick them all out through violence. Every consequence that you list is thus invalid.

[Fragony]

Except if drugs were legalized it really wouldn't be average people growing and selling on their own, it would be corporations. You telling me that the cartels are going to start blowing up Philip Morris's weed division headquarters?

Yeah they are really going to do that and what can you do about it call the police, and if that don't scares you of enough you will find a video of Phillip Morris family being decapitated with an electrical saw (it's slow) on lifeleak. You are outgunned in every way you are not prepared for this kind of terror.

Is there an SA here to tell the Disneyland neighbours how things work

[a completely inoffensive name]

Yeah they are really going to do that and what can you do about it call the police, and if that don't scares you of enough you will find a video of Phillip Morris family being decapitated with an electrical saw (it's slow) on lifeleak. You are outgunned in every way you are not prepared for this kind of terror.

Is there an SA here to tell the Disneyland neighbours how things work

Idk what to say except I disagree. I think that the US isn't Mexico and I don't think that a company will be completely bombed under the radar of the FBI. I also think that even if they do, it won't matter. Phillip Morris will still be pushing the product, the US citizen will buy from the "friendlier and safer" source and the cartels will die off anyway.

Also, if the cartels attack us, all it will do is piss off the American public, not scare them. American's are not going to reverse their law because of them "Hispanic terrorists", we will just give more money to the border guard and TSA.

[Fragony]

Idk what to say except I disagree. I think that the US isn't Mexico and I don't think that a company will be completely bombed under the radar of the FBI. I also think that even if they do, it won't matter. Phillip Morris will still be pushing the product, the US citizen will buy from the "friendlier and safer" source and the cartels will die off anyway.

Also, if the cartels attack us, all it will do is piss off the American public, not scare them. American's are not going to reverse their law because of them "Hispanic terrorists", we will just give more money to the border guard and TSA.

I am sure they are very intimidated by pissed of Americans, surely more than they are by Mexico's own military. Do you want private security having to carry anti-tank weapons? You probably think gated communities are bad, mentally add some watchtowers and barracks around your hycienta. You really can't beat them why make a minor problem a huge one,