Hate for Israel is hating it's succes?

[HoreTore]

Al Roumi raised an important issue further up; who started the conflict? I'd say it was neither the palestinians or the jews, but rather european intolerance which started this; without that, the jews would've been an integrated part of european society, and would have no need for a safe haven.

Israel was established to protect the jews from european hostility, not muslim hostility.

[HoreTore]

Believe it or not conservatives support charity as well.

Edit: Bamboo is not native to el savador.

Uhm, what? Charity? What are you talking about?

[al Roumi]

Uhm, what? Charity? What are you talking about?

I think he's refering to the largesse of US military aid... Either that or maybe the charities giving cash to drug addicts if they agree to be sterilised.

[jirisys]

Don't we all, where can I buy one of these bamboo-flutes at least it would be something to remember you by

Those are from Peru. Believe it or not, I know more about your culture than you of any latin american one. I lived in belgium anyways, went to holland too. France. Luxembourg, etc.

Believe it or not conservatives support charity as well.

Edit: Bamboo is not native to el savador.

I remember seeing an US Aid propaganda from Cuba, the US sends thousands of soldiers and helps few people; and cuba sends a few professionals and helps a lot more.

You think he would not confuse the highly humid forest of China and Peru/Brazil with Central America. We do have them, but until recently; and it's not part of our culture.

Ostendens ignorantiam. Quare audio?

~Jirisys ()

[Hax]

Al Roumi raised an important issue further up; who started the conflict? I'd say it was neither the palestinians or the jews, but rather european intolerance which started this; without that, the jews would've been an integrated part of european society, and would have no need for a safe haven.

Colonialist incompetence is what caused it.

So what don't start wars, if you do and keep persisting there is at the very least no reason whatsoever to keep them alive. I know who wouldn't when things were any different, good for them it isn't like that

Fragony, do you even know what happened at Deir Yassin? I am critical of many of the "new" Palestinians (often Egyptian or Syrian natives) who claim to be Palestinians, but it is undeniable that 700,000 Palestinians were displaced in 1948. How the surrounding Arab nations treated those Palestinians and the conflict as a whole is a different matter, but you cannot deny, as one cannot deny the Armenian Genocide or the Holocaust, that there were nearly a million Palestinians living in the occupied territories.

[Fragony]

Those are from Peru. Believe it or not, I know more about your culture than you of any latin american one. I lived in belgium anyways, went to holland too. France. Luxembourgh

Good for you, it's a concious choice to not know anything about your culture. I do it on purpose. Did you enjoy your stay?

[Fragony]

Frags, if you can truly find me a guttmensch who is fine with Turkey's treatment of the Kurds and yet anti Israel, I'd be the first to call them a hypocrite

I don't know if they are fine with it, all I know is that they aren't interested.

@Hax, nobody was ever displaced, they fled

[Hax]

@Hax, nobody was ever displaced, they fled

Would you stay in Amersfoort if whole of Zeist was murdered? Yes? No?

[al Roumi]

I don't know if they are fine with it, all I know is that they aren't interested.

So you're saying that lefties make Israel/palestine a higher profile issue than any other government's abuse of Human rights?

Isn't it just that Israel/palestine is a high profile accross a range of issues? And not just for lefties?

I'd have thought most people who actually care about HR abuses would have a wider view than just Israel, the world is regrettably full of them.

If you're getting this idea of yours about your guttmensch from the media well then you're accusing the wrong group.

[Fragony]

Would you stay in Amersfoort if whole of Zeist was murdered? Yes? No?

Atrocities happen in wars we did no different in Indonesia. So don't start wars. These people are dead only because of idiots who wanted war when it wasn't necessary at all, and it was and is a completely unnecessary loss of life. The current situation only exists because the Arabs thought it was necessary , and some (well a lot) still do. Israel has never asked for this so I don't really care when they go a bit nuts

[jirisys]

Good for you, it's a concious choice to not know anything about your culture. I do it on purpose. Did you enjoy your stay?

Willing ignorance you call that.

Badly viewed by people who do the thinking in the world.

Yes, I never got to meet you, so the days in holland were stupendous.

Atrocities happen in wars we did no different in Indonesia. So don't start wars. These people are dead only because of idiots who wanted war when it wasn't necessary at all, and it was and is a completely unnecessary loss of life. The current situation only exists because the Arabs thought it was necessary , and some (well a lot) still do. Israel has never asked for this so I don't really care when they go a bit nuts

Atrocities happen al the time. It's not like only in war people will be poor, tortured, kidnapped, raped, blackmailed, murdered, or not be given lollipops on doctor's office.

There are no wars going on. It's all conquest. The US doesn't go to war, it conquers lowly barbarian countries without the grace of that eternally perfect representative democracy. (if you can't see the sarcasm, shame to you).

War is never necessary. But it's a mean to get **** done; wether for good dees, or bad dees. (mostly, bad deeds).

You just described war there. Might I remind you that governments and leaders make wars, not people. Except here; curiously.

Yes, the arabs thought it was necesary to get their rightfully conquered land back. Since they were, by force; moved from their homes in order to make the jews a nice little hut. And not because of the jews, might I add. But because the allies deemed it necessary, and didn't care about the families of those people.

Israel asked for this the moment it was created and sought to get EVEN MORE land. Israel asked for this when they stopped immigration from palestinian states. Israel asked for this when they walled their borders. Israel asked for this when Mossad made it's dirty little job. Israel asked for this when they gunned down immigrants on the border. Israel asked for this when they started to hate muslims on a xenophobic level. Israel asked for this when they got their whole military equipment from the US, hated by all, loved by few. Israel asked for this when they refused to cooperate with palestine.

It doesn't matter if Palestine is the aggressor. Without the state of Israel; there wouldn't be such aggression. You cannot cast blame only at one section, because you believe that the other one made the "right thing".

The deaths of the libyan civil war is to blame as much as; both the people, and the tyrant.

One for fighting. And the other for provoking; and fighting back.

so I don't really care when they go a bit nuts

Ah. Then you have learned nothing.

It is not people, that should suffer; it's those that wish to acquire more; because they believe so. The people today have been fully braindwashed and forced to believe that palestinians or israelis are to be bombed. Most people don't want to be a part of it, they just want to live their lives. The rest; would not have wanted this, if they were not told to want this.

But when a spark comes, a fire ensues. No matter who it comes from. Both Israel and Palestine is to blame, not separately.

But since you don't care, why bother telling you at all?

For all this time we have argued, you have chosen to cover your eyes and see what you want. You will never learn anything like that. And you have not learned at all.

~Jirisys ()

[Fragony]

What makes you so sure we didn't meet, I can't be the only Dutchman that knows nothing about your culture. I even think we who don't know anything about your culture outnumber those that for some reason do.

[jirisys]

What makes you so sure we didn't meet, I can't be the only Dutchman that knows nothing about your culture. I even think we who don't know anything about your culture outnumber those that for some reason do.

The point of this is? The ignorance of the masses?

I, however, am one of the few who know about european culture. Yet you don't see me insulting vietnamese people with the lack of knowledge of their culture, do you?

To be stagnantly tring to insult one's culture whilst knowing nothing about it is as smart as trying to fly with a cape without knowing about gravity.

~Jirisys ()

[Strike For The South]

I remember seeing an US Aid propaganda from Cuba, the US sends thousands of soldiers and helps few people; and cuba sends a few professionals and helps a lot more.

You think he would not confuse the highly humid forest of China and Peru/Brazil with Central America. We do have them, but until recently; and it's not part of our culture.

Ostendens ignorantiam. Quare audio?

~Jirisys ()

Que lastima

[Fragony]

The point of this is? The ignorance of the masses?

I, however, am one of the few who know about european culture. Yet you don't see me insulting vietnamese people with the lack of knowledge of their culture, do you?

To be stagnantly tring to insult one's culture whilst knowing nothing about it is as smart as trying to fly with a cape without knowing about gravity.

~Jirisys ()

I just feel better when I deny it's very existance. Who are you to judge me

[jirisys]

Que lastima

About me seeing it? About it existing or what? I was working on a sociology book; looking for images.

I just feel better when I deny it's very existance. Who are you to judge me

A person who knows obviously more english, latin, greek, french, german, spanish, russian; who can spell better than you; who can reason better than you; who can change my posture whenever evidence for the new one is bigger than the last; who understands it's own limitations in both knowledge and abilities; I do not defend a country that commits such injustices; and more importantly, a person who does not accept ignorance as a virtue.

So we have absolutely no culture? Well whoop-dee-****ing-doo. Guess no more mayan calendars, no more corn, chocolate, sugar, tomatoes; no more cumbia, gold; no more aztecs, incas or mayans, no more independence, no more american colonialism, no more american-encouraged tyrants, no more banana nations, no more slaves for the VOC, no more Les Luthiers, no more anything.

Deny it. Shows how much your arguments are really that much cerebral and open-minded.

Who are YOU, that you cannot be judged? Don't care, show yourself as the european stereotype you are not.

~Jirisys ()

[Fragony]

oh lolipop you sound pretty smart

[jirisys]

Oh! Lollipop; you seem pretty smart.

It was a joke; but I tell you; that's one of the atrocities that most doctors in the world do to us.

I also use punctuation.

I cannot "sound" pretty smart, because it's a written medium.

Can you please stop derailing th thread from it's original purpose?

~Jirisys ()

[Fragony]

It was a joke; but I tell you; that's one of the atrocities that most doctors in the world do to us.

I also use punctuation.

I cannot "sound" pretty smart, because it's a written medium.

Can you please stop derailing th thread from it's original purpose?

~Jirisys ()

But we are just getting to know eachother, quite the revelation for me that you use punctuation. Who would have thought, amazing

[PanzerJaeger]

who can spell better than you;

You seem relatively new around here, so please allow me to share some friendly advice. Mocking another member's grammar usage is not only considered bad form here in the Backroom, but it is also often very misguided. Some of our most interesting and insightful members, including Fragony, choose not to bother with proper grammar. As this is a gaming forum and not a classroom, there is no expectation of such. It is a matter of personal style, and has no bearing on the substance of their posts or their true writing abilities.

As you clearly demonstrated, we all make grammar mistakes and none of us are in a position to judge another's writing skills. Further, such comments are always personal and by their very nature have little relevance to the topic at hand.

[Fragony]

I do use proper grammar, but only when I rap in Al Salvadorian, it just feels right for some reason

[jirisys]

You seem relatively new around here, so please allow me to share some friendly advice. Mocking another member's grammar usage is not only considered bad form here in the Backroom, but it is also often very misguided. Some of our most interesting and insightful members, including Fragony, choose not to bother with proper grammar. As this is a gaming forum and not a classroom, there is no expectation of such. It is a matter of personal style, and has no bearing on the substance of their posts or their true writing abilities.

As you clearly demonstrated, we all make grammar mistakes and none of us are in a position to judge another's writing skills. Further, such comments are always personal and by their very nature have little relevance to the topic at hand.

Insightful .

It is basic form of courtesy to use correct grammar. Even if this a gaming forum, it is a good way to distinguish the difference of maturity from a person from another. Say one that starts by using leetspeak will not quite show themselves as well as someone that can bother themselves to write well.

Yet it seems cultural insults are part of his insightful expertise.

Yes, we all make grammar mistakes. Yet we try not to, at least I do. We don't just regurgitate words and write them.

Did I insult his culture? Told him there was no dutch culture? Oh, but THIS is personal, right?

Since you ignored the rest of my post; I assume you mean that I was right.

I do use proper grammar, but only when I rap in Al Salvadorian, it just feels right for some reason.

Good for you.

Where is this Albert Salvadorian establishment you speak of?

~Jirisys ()

[HoreTore]

OH DEAR GOD IT'S A GRAMMAR NAZI!!!!! TO THE ESCAPE PODS, WOMEN AND LOUIS FIRST!!



Also, it tickles my funny bone to see the nazi reprimand the grammar nazi....

[Fragony]

Insightful .

It is basic form of courtesy to use correct grammar. Even if this a gaming forum, it is a good way to distinguish the difference of maturity from a person from another. Say one that starts by using leetspeak will not quite show themselves as well as someone that can bother themselves to write well.

Yet it seems cultural insults are part of his insightful expertise.

Yes, we all make grammar mistakes. Yet we try not to

And that is imho what really sets Al Salvadorians apart, just saying

[jirisys]

OH DEAR GOD IT'S A GRAMMAR NAZI!!!!! TO THE ESCAPE PODS, WOMEN AND LOUIS FIRST!!



Also, it tickles my funny bone to see the nazi reprimand the grammar nazi....

My funny bone does quite get some sort of tickling sensation when thou hath used the word that is meant as a abbreviature of ye National Socialist Party of ye Third Reich; in a forum thread which discusses ye Republic of Israel as it's primary topic.

He. He. He.

And that is imho what really sets Al Salvadorians apart, just saying

My dear... Ahem. "Fragony". I would like thou to recapitulate your incorrect spelling of ye word "El". As thou has spelled it as "Al", which in the language that is english is an abbreviature of ye name "Albert".

Also, thou hast not made a point about nothing in this small sentence (badly written, if thou may allow myself to add) thou hast written.

Since most of my fellow nationals have completely fornicated the languange by spelling it so awfully, not even myself might understand it.

~Jirisys ()

[Fragony]

My dear... Ahem. "Fragony". I would like thou to recapitulate your incorrect spelling of ye word "El". As thou has spelled it as "Al", which in the language that is english is an abbreviature of ye name "Albert".

Also, thou hast not made a point about nothing in this small sentence (badly written, if thou may allow myself to add) thou hast written.

Since most of my fellow nationals have completely fornicated the languange by spelling it so awfully, not even myself might understand it.

~Jirisys ()

We just don't spell it like that in our culture, legend says that witches will flood us if we do. It's all kinda silly but I'm not taking any chances we all know what happened to the Inca's

[jirisys]

We just don't spell it like that in our culture, legend says that witches will flood us if we do. It's all kinda silly but I'm not taking any chances we all know what happened to the Inca's

So you will not take any chances that spanish conquistadores pillage your land, rape, murder and enslave your people?

Please, stop recitating that which you do not know. You seem less intelligent that way.

~Jirisys ()

[PanzerJaeger]

Insightful .

It is basic form of courtesy to use correct grammar. Even if this a gaming forum, it is a good way to distinguish the difference of maturity from a person from another. Say one that starts by using leetspeak will not quite show themselves as well as someone that can bother themselves to write well.

Yet it seems cultural insults are part of his insightful expertise.

Yes, we all make grammar mistakes. Yet we try not to, at least I do. We don't just regurgitate words and write them.

Did I insult his culture? Told him there was no dutch culture? Oh, but THIS is personal, right?

Excusing your own poor behavior by pointing to that of others is neither a valid justification for said behavior nor a particularly convincing sign of maturity. And speaking of Fragony's supposed poor behavior, I cannot seem to find where he insulted your culture or said that your nation had none. It seems that the whole unpleasant exchange began with post #34.

Since you ignored the rest of my post; I assume you mean that I was right.

You know what they say about what happens when we assume.

[jirisys]

You know what they say about what happens when we assume.

Wanna know my price or something?

Actually. Starting from here, did he start with this whole charade of misrepresenting and not caring about cultures.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053328707

Well, something related to actually saying that he denied latin american culture seems to have skipped your reading.

No culture:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053329344

He asked who was I to judge him. I told him. Let he who is free of sin, cast the first stone. I threw a boulder instead.

~Jirisys ()

[Fragony]

So you will not take any chances that spanish conquistadores pillage your land, rape, murder and enslave your people?

Please, stop recitating that which you do not know. You seem less intelligent that way.

~Jirisys ()

I don't care about looking intelligent, all I want is global domination. It's working out for me, I now got a free spelling checker from Al Salvador of all places