Mafia X [Concluded]

[[MAFIA] Fat Tony]

If Fat Tony's going to vote for the lurker without even the decency of a formal "me too" on the last day after goign Luigi-or-Angelo, gotta be Luigi-or-Angelo over and over for teh last several days (and Angelo sitting right there in front of him ripe for the voting), then he deserves to die.

I don't quite understand that.

Anyway, Angelo's self vote caused me to reexamine the thread. I am now sure who the mafia is; Angelo.

He's piggy-backed on other people the whole game. Even now, after the townie chorus has decided I'm guilty (after declaring for several days I'm innocent, even after my biggest opponents where whacked, so clearly who can trust them?) he vote for Emilio, just because that's who's easiest to lynch. For days he's hunted me, and now he abandons that?

Wait. As I was writing this he changes his vote to me. Could he be scummier?

If I, poor ole differently-weighted-Tony, was mafia, would I really have left just Angelo and Emilio alive? Of course not. The game would have been in the bag if I kept Bruno and Angelo alive (and if you want to see why, check out the killing choices at the end of the only GH Mafia game not won by Kage). And even if I did do that, would I have made such a poor post as my vote for Emilio?

Instead we have this ridiculous theory that I'm mafia.

If Bertha was my partner I could have easily switched yesterday's vote and convinced another person to do likewise. Renata/Sonny's case on me has always been a mistaken activation of her scum-radar that she just won't let go.

I think most of you just want me lynched because the prospect of me, who's been close to being lynched a couple times, winning as mafia is worse for your sense of dignity than Angelo winning.

Even now Angelo switches votes willy-nilly. Clearly he's watching the thread and ready to switch votes as necessary to confuse the town and kill anyone besides himself.

Seriously folks. Try and tell me how I would have left Angelo and Emilio alive if I were mafia.

At the end of this round ATPG will be proven wrong about me; of that I am completely sure.

unvote, vote: Angelo

[[MAFIA] Angelo]

Ok, all calm down a bit. If I was scum I had this game in the bag numerous times today.

I had it in the bag when you both voted each other and with just a decent vote for one of you I could have sealed the bag and carried the win home. Instead I played this silly self vote game.

Even then I had it in the bag when I voted Emilio and could have sealed it by just remaining silent. Yea, right, I changed my vote while you were writing this. It took you about twenty minutes to write that ? Instead I changed my vote to you and what happens? Tony stops eatin' for a moment and lets out some half baken idea about me being scum when that doesn't make any sense at all after my actions today.

No, in fact my "willy-nilly" vote juggling has finally reaped the results I needed to decide. Thanks for your attention, gentlemen, Emilio, vote Fat Tony!

[Renata]

Obviously, since he's called you a townie at least once as well as calling you mafia today. I think you just made a funny.

Why should you be alive, Fat Tony? Yesterday half the players were calling you an obvious innocent based on ATPG's vote analysis. Angelo might leave you alive, granted (since picking up an earlier case is easier than creating one out of whole cloth), but he'd have to be nuts to keep Emilio around as the other option given that both of you voted him in the past, and recently.

(Possible caveat: if ALL of Luigi, Bruno, Emilio and Fat Tony have voted Angelo recently, this doesn't mean anything. Can anyone check?)

Emilio has no motive to leave you alive, yet here you are, and you voted for him first.

What I mean by that comment you picked out is that you've been talking about Luigi being mafia (and if not him, Angelo) and vice versa for the past several days. But you didn't come out and vote Angelo given this golden opportunity of it being teh final day and him still around. You voted for Emilio based on someone else's case.

Do you really want me to give the potential motive for you to keep Angelo alive? It's not hard to imagine, even if it is all WIFOM. But it's WIFOM for everybody.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't quite understand that.

Anyway, Angelo's self vote caused me to reexamine the thread. I am now sure who the mafia is; Angelo.

Because he likes letting anyone who passes by have the ability to switch their votes and lynch him during a tie.

He's piggy-backed on other people the whole game. Even now, after the townie chorus has decided I'm guilty (after declaring for several days I'm innocent, even after my biggest opponents where whacked, so clearly who can trust them?)

Now here's a big steaming pile of cow dung. What are you trying to say? That townies can't change their minds? Certainly not like the way you have whenever it's been expedient to keep you alive? Who can trust the people who have been whacked? How can you argue in a way that just undermines your credibility so badly?

he vote for Emilio, just because that's who's easiest to lynch. For days he's hunted me, and now he abandons that?

So, if people latch onto you and don't let go, like Sonny, they're just mistaken and not letting go, but if they change their minds, they're abandoning? It's interesting that you can paint both behaviors as negative.

Wait. As I was writing this he changes his vote to me. Could he be scummier?

Could you?

If I, poor ole differently-weighted-Tony, was mafia, would I really have left just Angelo and Emilio alive? Of course not.

Not the WIFOM argument....

The game would have been in the bag if I kept Bruno and Angelo alive (and if you want to see why, check out the killing choices at the end of the only GH Mafia game not won by Kage). And even if I did do that, would I have made such a poor post as my vote for Emilio?

Are you arguing that you're not scum because your obviously horrendous and expedient vote for Emilio wasn't scummy because it was too scummy to be scummy?

Instead we have this ridiculous theory that I'm mafia.

Laugh it up, fuzzball.

If Bertha was my partner I could have easily switched yesterday's vote and convinced another person to do likewise. Renata/Sonny's case on me has always been a mistaken activation of her scum-radar that she just won't let go.

So maybe Bertha's not your partner, I can believe that. That's why the whole reasoning for your not being mafia unraveled pretty quickly.

I think most of you just want me lynched because the prospect of me, who's been close to being lynched a couple times, winning as mafia is worse for your sense of dignity than Angelo winning.

That line of reasoning might work for someone who people genuinely loathe to see win as mafia, such as Annethepizzaman, but for Crazed Rabbit, I don't think so.

We've already said it's a game-winning performance and we'd like to punish Kagemusha for his absentee play or intentional lurking, and it would REALLY suck to lose to that guy via lurking. Nobody likes a lurker victory.

I don't buy this argument from you, and the reasoning you think we're using is non-existent. Crazed Rabbit deserves to win games, especially if he's not been lurking and has been killing off all the threats to him and going "who, me?"

No, the reason people want you dead is because they think you're mafia, not because they're afraid of you winning a game as mafia and want to prevent that at any cost, even at the cost of the game. Here you're playing a sympathy card you don't have.

Even now Angelo switches votes willy-nilly. Clearly he's watching the thread and ready to switch votes as necessary to confuse the town and kill anyone besides himself.

He often sits online and posts frequently in games. You, on the other hand, have been so kind as to make several posts and longer posts and more verbose posts that directly respond to people only when you've been under pressure. I've seen you act this way before. You're very happy to watch town destroy itself and vote for townies and let those lynches happen when you're scum, but when you're under pressure, it's time to put on the boxing gloves.

Seriously folks. Try and tell me how I would have left Angelo and Emilio alive if I were mafia.

So you could say "Seriously folks, try and tell me how I would have left Angelo and Emilio alive if I were mafia."

If I were mafia is one of the scummiest things anyone can possibly say.

At the end of this round ATPG will be proven wrong about me; of that I am completely sure.

Why just me, old buddy old pal? Considering I had suspicion on you, but wasn't the first one, and subsequently abandoned my suspicion.... and of course, Renata and Romanic were the ones who were after you, and pressed on you hard, I feel you're not giving credit where credit is due.

I'm not your primary antagonist here. I'm not your first accuser, last accuser, or even a voter anymore. So you're failing to acknowledge that those who are to be "proven wrong" about you are many people who have put more effort into it than I have.

And if in the end I am proven wrong about you, it will be only fitting, given it was you who made me finally and mercifully dead.

I would look forward to sharing a grave with you, but I'm afraid they'll need at least two for your big fat guilty butt.