Midgardsaga III [Concluded]

[Reenk Roink]

[TinCow]

I love you too, Reenk.

[Reenk Roink]

I love you too, Reenk.

Look, you think this is enjoyable for me? Well, it is a little, because of the novelty, but that will wear off. Fact is we need a way to communicate, and this is good enough. It will buy us enough time and by the time someone deciphers it, secrecy shouldn't matter.

[TinCow]

Look, you think this is enjoyable for me? Well, it is a little, because of the novelty, but that will wear off. Fact is we need a way to communicate, and this is good enough. It will buy us enough time and by the time someone deciphers it, secrecy shouldn't matter.

A fair point, and worth considering. I will use it from now on when I need to convey important information.

[Nightbringer]

Well, at least we know one thing. ATPG is not a basic townie. His duel score is at least 5, which is above townie duel rating. For those with the info, do you know if he is a king or champion? He could possibly be Loki, but he hasn't given the town special information as far as I can tell, so it doesn't really matter.

If we can figure out who our kings and champions are, we should just kill everything with a high duel score as far as I can tell.
The gods appear to be little help, and the rest will be Jotun.

So unless I get info that he is important to us.
vote:ATPG

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's not really that hard to decipher a simple substitution puzzle. They put those sorts of things in newspapers for the public to solve for fun.

It is at this point I'm absolutely sure you're kidding.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, at least we know one thing. ATPG is not a basic townie. His duel score is at least 5, which is above townie duel rating. For those with the info, do you know if he is a king or champion? He could possibly be Loki, but he hasn't given the town special information as far as I can tell, so it doesn't really matter.

If we can figure out who our kings and champions are, we should just kill everything with a high duel score as far as I can tell.
The gods appear to be little help, and the rest will be Jotun.

So unless I get info that he is important to us.
vote:ATPG

I already claimed King, mister not listening.

Thanks by the way. We're doing real good, chiefs.

[Nightbringer]

Gah, bunch of posts during my delayed writing of my last post, but I can't really say I believe ATPG's claim of being a king.

Still, if he is one, the Jotun will kill him tonight, unless he is one of them, in which case we lynch him tomorrow.

So for the time being, unvote:ATPG

[Reenk Roink]

It's not really that hard to decipher a simple substitution puzzle. They put those sorts of things in newspapers for the public to solve for fun.

It is at this point I'm absolutely sure you're kidding.

Never would I do a simple a=1, b = 2 cipher. This isn't 3rd grade. But neither would I need cryptographic hash functions either. I highly doubt any of you are experts in cryptanalysis working for the NSA. This does the job. And townies and even Jotun needn't concern themselves with it.

[TinCow]

Well, at least we know one thing. ATPG is not a basic townie. His duel score is at least 5, which is above townie duel rating. For those with the info, do you know if he is a king or champion? He could possibly be Loki, but he hasn't given the town special information as far as I can tell, so it doesn't really matter.

If we can figure out who our kings and champions are, we should just kill everything with a high duel score as far as I can tell.
The gods appear to be little help, and the rest will be Jotun.

So unless I get info that he is important to us.
vote:ATPG

Gah, bunch of posts during my delayed writing of my last post, but I can't really say I believe ATPG's claim of being a king.

Still, if he is one, the Jotun will kill him tonight, unless he is one of them, in which case we lynch him tomorrow.

So for the time being, unvote:ATPG

This is the textbook definition of scummy.

Vote: Nightbringer

[Askthepizzaguy]

Gah, bunch of posts during my delayed writing of my last post, but I can't really say I believe ATPG's claim of being a king.

Still, if he is one, the Jotun will kill him tonight, unless he is one of them, in which case we lynch him tomorrow.

So for the time being, unvote:ATPG

Would you like my champion to claim and back up my story so we can lynch him too?

[Reenk Roink]

Would you like my champion to claim and back up my story so we can lynch him too?

Which land are you king of?

[Nightbringer]

As to the challenges, I think it would be fairly effective to challenge suspects (who aren't kings or champions) with with basic townie roles, or possibly champions. If we see that they are more powerful than a townie, we kill em as they are either an unhelpful god or a Jotun.

Does this make sense to you guys? Do we know who our kings and champions are (looking at you network that doesn't invite me to your fun)?

[Reenk Roink]

I think TLD is Atpg's champion. Or DiY was TLD's king.

[TinCow]

Nightbringer, are you seriously saying that an attempt should be made to give the names of all Kings to a townie network?

[Nightbringer]

This is the textbook definition of scummy.

Vote: Nightbringer

My words or that ~30 posts appeared while I was writing it?

In any case, feel free to challenge me, I will probably die or at least demonstrate that I am weak and unimportant.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Which land are you king of?

I'm the king of all of Norway. It is mine. Some peeps who call themselves king will dispute my claim, but they are nothing and nobody. I will crush them with my left index finger just to watch them die.

I'd rather not say so there's still room for me to claim this is a bluff. Maybe I want the Jotun to kill me.

[Nightbringer]

Nightbringer, are you seriously saying that an attempt should be made to give the names of all Kings to a townie network?

I was under the impression that was what the network was trying to figure out. In any case, we have already lost most of our champions, ATPG has declared king, how many more can there be out there. I think the policy of using duels to test power and lynching strong people can be reasonably effective.

[Reenk Roink]

My words or that ~30 posts appeared while I was writing it?

In any case, feel free to challenge me, I will probably die or at least demonstrate that I am weak and unimportant.

Can you quote your role PM please? I'm not going to advocate your lynch at all this round either way, but you said something interesting when Tratorix claimed war veteran that his role PM looked too simple. I want to see why you thought that by reference to your own role PM. You can PM me if you want, I am a most trusted adviser.

[Diamondeye]

As to the challenges, I think it would be fairly effective to challenge suspects (who aren't kings or champions) with with basic townie roles, or possibly champions. If we see that they are more powerful than a townie, we kill em as they are either an unhelpful god or a Jotun.

Does this make sense to you guys? Do we know who our kings and champions are (looking at you network that doesn't invite me to your fun)?

This doesn't make sense, no. Townie holmgang scores might easily differ a bit. Would you lynch everyone with 5? That's probably all the champions, some of the kings and perhaps a few others. No way guaranteed to be non-human roles unless they're like, 8-10.

The writeup seems to indicate that Heimdall was killed by the Jotun... It comments that he should have been able to hear his attackers coming, and Heimdall has the best hearing of all the Aesir (he can hear the grass grow).

ATPG doesn't strike me as scummy, Nightbringer, and a holmgang score of 5 proves nothing, really. I'll look for other suspect tomorrow when I've slept.

[Chaotix]

Nightbringer, you don't really strike me as scum, but you've gotta watch out for revealing who you believe is a King and who is a Champion and a Norse God and everything. If you haven't noticed, the mafia just killed w&f (the god Heimdall), who revealed himself through Holmgang, and the crazy-serial-killer-dude killed DiY, the King of Nordmore. And last night, classical (the god Odin) was killed for pretty much exactly the same reason.

As long as our pro-town roles keep making stupid decisions and challenging people for the lulz, we have to keep quiet when their roles are noticeable. Gotta hope that the mafia aren't noticing as much as you do.

Now I'm worried the confirmed King ATPG will be killed tonight.

Vote: Diamondeye

Because khaan woke up dead yesterday.

[Nightbringer]

Can you quote your role PM please? I'm not going to advocate your lynch at all this round either way, but you said something interesting when Tratorix claimed war veteran that his role PM looked too simple. I want to see why you thought that by reference to your own role PM. You can PM me if you want, I am a most trusted adviser.

It really doesn't matter if I am lynched except we lose a day and a vote, but why should I trust you to not simply hand it over to the Jotun for future use? Why should I take that risk simply to satisfy your curiosity?

If you have other suspicious role pm's, feel free to send them to me and I can examine them and tell you what I think.
You may even win my trust and I can then send you my own.

[TinCow]

My words or that ~30 posts appeared while I was writing it?

Both. Your first post (made, apparently, without reading many others) was specifically trying to encourage a plan that would involve all Kings revealing themselves. Scummy. Your second post flipflops on ATPG, and then goes WIFOM. Not to mention the fact that the ~30 posts that apparently made you change your mind so suddenly are 99% fluff, with the other 1% being made up by an ATPG WIFOM role claim. You're flailing. Flailing = scummy.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I had been told by several people that it was odd that I wasn't challenging anyone. It seems that's the sort of thing I'm "expected" to do?

Well, last I heard, Tratorix had claimed war vet or something. I felt confident I could crush that without revealing who I was, since I'd be the attacker. It was the safest way I could challenge and not reveal. So much for blending in.

Warman challenging me was rather annoying. Killing him was still extremely satisfying.

[Nightbringer]

Nightbringer, you don't really strike me as scum, but you've gotta watch out for revealing who you believe is a King and who is a Champion and a Norse God and everything. If you haven't noticed, the mafia just killed w&f (the god Heimdall), who revealed himself through Holmgang, and the crazy-serial-killer-dude killed DiY, the King of Nordmore. And last night, classical (the god Odin) was killed for pretty much exactly the same reason.

As long as our pro-town roles keep making stupid decisions and challenging people for the lulz, we have to keep quiet when their roles are noticeable. Gotta hope that the mafia aren't noticing as much as you do.

Now I'm worried the confirmed King ATPG will be killed tonight.

Vote: Diamondeye

Because khaan woke up dead yesterday.

I frankly have no idea who they are, I think basic townies should challenge suspicious individuals to try to find powerful roles. As you said many pro town power roles are already dead so strong duel scores are likely to indicate Jotun.

Pro town power roles should avoid challenges, as should a few townies to help hide them, because that immediately reveals them to the Jotun.

If a duel finds a powerful player, who is not killed the next night, they are almost certainly Jotun.

[Reenk Roink]

It really doesn't matter if I am lynched except we lose a day and a vote, but why should I trust you to not simply hand it over to the Jotun for future use? Why should I take that risk simply to satisfy your curiosity?

If you have other suspicious role pm's, feel free to send them to me and I can examine them and tell you what I think.
You may even win my trust and I can then send you my own.

Darn, nobody ever falls for this...

But seriously, I don't see what a big deal a townie role PM is. I expect the Jotun to have covers like in Midgard II anyway. Would you be willing to at least claim a role name? So I can see why you thought Tratorix's role PM was odd.

[Nightbringer]

Both. Your first post (made, apparently, without reading many others) was specifically trying to encourage a plan that would involve all Kings revealing themselves. Scummy. Your second post flipflops on ATPG, and then goes WIFOM. Not to mention the fact that the ~30 posts that apparently made you change your mind so suddenly are 99% fluff, with the other 1% being made up by an ATPG WIFOM role claim. You're flailing. Flailing = scummy.

I never said I wanted Kings to reveal, I was under the impression certain persons already knew who they were. Those persons would then be capable of challenging other players to test their power.
If they were powerful, the odds of them being a Jotun would be very high.

As for the posts being bluff, yes I know, but I see no reason to vote for a declared King as the mafia are unlikely to let that slip by. If they leave him alone, it suggests he is in fact one of them.

[TinCow]

If a duel finds a powerful player, who is not killed the next night, they are almost certainly Jotun.

So, your plan is to expose as many high-power players as you can, then just wait and see who doesn't get killed? You realize that the mafia only need to kill the high-power roles to win, right?

[Nightbringer]

Darn, nobody ever falls for this...

But seriously, I don't see what a big deal a townie role PM is. I expect the Jotun to have covers like in Midgard II anyway. Would you be willing to at least claim a role name? So I can see why you thought Tratorix's role PM was odd.

I am Kjetil Daude Hjalmarsson, and I am a basic townie. The Joutun have cover roles, but they might be imperfect cover roles. Sigurd is crafty after all. (Happy birthday by the way!)

I explained what about his pm was odd, as I said, I can do the same (or find it ordinary) if you send me another pm.

[Reenk Roink]

So, your plan is to expose as many high-power players as you can, then just wait and see who doesn't get killed? You realize that the mafia only need to kill the high-power roles to win, right?

I think Nightbringer himself is a powerful role who is name dropping other powerful roles so that the Jotun may choose them to kill over him.