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    Your government owns the banks. Our banks own the government.
    Nah, that's not what modern government ownership is about.

    The government does not "own" corporations like the old days of nationalized industry, nowadays they're simply another investor. While the business minstry has ownership, actual decision for the companies are not made by politicians, but by people appointed to do so.

    I don't think complete ownership is beneficial. But owning shares which generates income for the state? Of course that's beneficial.

    In regards to the bank bailout, I believe the momey given should've been treated like a bid, and the government given the appropriate amount of shares. If that would've meant all the shares(I don't really know what a US investment bank is/was worth...), then the state would've been given complete ownership, which it could then sell off again when the situation stabilized and people wanted to buy the shares.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    In regards to the bank bailout, I believe the momey given should've been treated like a bid, and the government given the appropriate amount of shares. If that would've meant all the shares(I don't really know what a US investment bank is/was worth...), then the state would've been given complete ownership, which it could then sell off again when the situation stabilized and people wanted to buy the shares.
    That's what people were crying out for them to do, however the "People Who Matter" were intent on pretending that the problems with banks were merely based on liquidity access and not insolvency.
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    Well, it wasn’t just the US now, was it?

    I seem to remember most European Nations also giving away free money to the banks.
    Isn't the UK government now the biggest shareholder in some of their banks? ie HBOS?
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    Things are so bad, the Fe Reserve is not holding back the truth.
    SEWARD, NE—Claiming he wasn't afraid to let everyone in attendance know about "the real mess we're in," Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke reportedly got drunk Tuesday and told everyone at Elwood's Corner Tavern about how absolutely the U.S. economy actually is.
    Bernanke, who sources confirmed was "totally sloshed," arrived at the drinking establishment at approximately 5:30 p.m., ensconced himself upon a bar stool, and consumed several bottles of Miller High Life and a half-dozen shots of whiskey while loudly proclaiming to any patron who would listen that the economic outlook was "pretty goddamned awful if you want the God's honest truth."

    "Look, they don't want anyone except for the Washington, D.C. bigwigs to know how bad really is," said Bernanke, slurring his words as he spoke. "Mounting debt exacerbated—and not relieved—by unchecked consumption, spiraling interest rates, and the grim realities of an inevitable worldwide energy crisis are projected to leave our entire economy in the for, like, a generation, man, I'm telling you."

    "And hell, as long as we're being honest, I might as well tell you that a truer estimate of the U.S. unemployment rate is actually up around 16 percent, with a 0.7 percent annual rate of economic growth if we're lucky—if we're lucky," continued Bernanke, nearly knocking a full beer over while gesturing with his hands. "Of course, if everybody knew that, it would likely cripple financial markets across the entire globe, even in various emerging economies with self- sustaining growth."

    After launching into an extended 45-minute diatribe about shortsighted moves by "those bastards in Congress" that could potentially exacerbate the nation's already deeply troublesome budget imbalance, the Federal Reserve chairman reportedly bought a round of tequila shots for two customers he had just met who were seated on either side of him, announcing, "I love these guys."

    Numerous bar patrons slowly nodded in agreement as Bernanke went on to suggest the United States could pass three or four more stimulus packages and "it wouldn't even matter."

    "You think that's going to create long-term economic growth, let alone promote job creation?" Bernanke said. "We're way beyond that, my friend. There are no jobs, okay? There's nothing. I think that calls for another drink, don't you?"

    While using beer bottles and pretzel sticks in an attempt to explain to the bartender the importance of infusing $650 billion into the bond market, the inebriated Fed chairman nearly fell off his stool and had to be held up by the patron sitting next to him.
    Another bargoer confirmed Bernanke stood about 2 inches from her face and sprayed her with saliva, claiming inflation was going to "totally screw" consumer confidence and then asking if he could bum a smoke.

    "Sure, we could hold down long-term interest rates and pursue a program of quantitative easing, but c'mon, we all know that's not going to make the slightest bit of difference when it comes to output, demand, or employment," Bernanke said before being told to "try to keep [his] voice down" by the bartender. "And trust me, with the value of the U.S. dollar in the toilet, import costs going through the roof, and numerous world governments unprepared for their own substantial debt burdens, not looking too good for us abroad, either."

    "God, I'm so wasted," added Bernanke, resting his head on the bar.

    Later in the evening, Richard Kampman, a truck driver who was laid off in 2010, said Bernanke approached him in the men's restroom and attempted to strike up a conversation about various factors contributing to the current financial crisis.

    "He stumbled up to the urinal and started mumbling on about the depressed housing sector or something," said Kampman, who claimed Bernanke had to use both hands on the wall to steady himself. "Then after a while he just sort of stopped and I couldn't tell if he was laughing or crying."

    "Then he puked all over the sink and the mirror," Kampman added.

    Customers at the bar told reporters the "" and disruptive Bernanke refused to pay for his drinks with U.S. currency, claiming it was "worthless." Witnesses also confirmed that near the end of the evening, Bernanke put money into the jukebox and selected Dire Straits' "Money For Nothing" to play five times in a row.

    "This is what it's all about," said Bernanke, who reportedly danced alone in the middle of the dark tavern. " love this song."
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    I should remind members that they are responsible for everything they post - including quoted material - and should check for bad language that may break the forum rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by classical_hero View Post
    Things are so bad, the Fe Reserve is not holding back the truth.
    Awww you'll live, just going to be bad for a while, going to be bad here as well. Tuffstuff has some excellent suggestions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Awww you'll live, just going to be bad for a while, going to be bad here as well. Tuffstuff has some excellent suggestions.
    I live in Australia, so we are not really affected right now.

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    If you want out of recession then reduce fuel and transportation costs.

    They are stifling growth almost everywhere.

    If everyone turned to bio-fuels in a big way I think you might see fuel prices at 1970s levels in short order.

    And if you think that bio-fuels made food prices jump, think again. That was oil prices.


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    Everyone should note that article was from the Onion. Yes i believe you are all stupid enough to believe that was a serious piece

    If everyone turned to bio-fuels in a big way I think you might see fuel prices at 1970s levels in short order.

    And if you think that bio-fuels made food prices jump, think again. That was oil prices.
    Bio fuels like ethanol are at the moment a fail. Your just not right on that count.

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    Pray tell why it is a fail?

    The only other alternative is to regulate prices of a commodity in high demand world wide.

    The only thing wrong with bio-fuels is the propaganda launched against them.


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    Using food as fuel, what a wonderful idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by classical_hero View Post
    Using food as fuel, what a wonderful idea.
    I am so sorry but you are buying into what big oil would want you to believe.

    Grains used for making alcohol are not destroyed. They can still be used as food or fodder. In fact those grains are enhanced if you want to use them as fodder which would increase food production rather than losing it.

    Not only that but there are hundreds of plants and materials that can be used for the process that are not normally seen as food.

    What does it take to get people to take their blinders off?


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    I am actually pinning my hopes on hydrogen as a fuel source and not "big oil". The only reason bio-diesel is even viable is due to the massive subsidies given to farmer.

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    I am actually pinning my hopes on hydrogen as a fuel source and not "big oil". The only reason bio-diesel is even viable is due to the massive subsidies given to farmer.
    LOL!

    Why not use recycled cooking oil? Did you think it had to be new and fresh?

    It is primarialy the Alchol fuels that will make the bigest difference.

    Look what has happened in Brazil. They are now faced with too rapid growth and over investment while most of the rest of us are faced with stagnation. Of course much of that is because we are stagnating while Brazil is not.


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    Quote Originally Posted by classical_hero View Post
    I am actually pinning my hopes on hydrogen as a fuel source and not "big oil". The only reason bio-diesel is even viable is due to the massive subsidies given to farmer.
    Hydrogen is a mean of energy storage, not an energy source. If we were switching to 100% tomorrow, our energy use would go up considerbly. The boon is that you can use another energy source instead of oil, like nuclear, solar, renewables or coal.

    That's the boon with bio-diesel (I personally think algae is going to be the most efficient source here). It's an energy source.
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    Algae could work rather better than most biofuel alternatives 'cause they will sustain quite a bit of industrial abuse, meaning you can dump fertilizer and not worry too much about “exhausting” basins. Downside is that the yield of energy out of a volume of grown algae is simply very low compared to pretty much every other plant form (algae containing very little energy reserves).

    OTOH, hydrogen has the benefit of being able to produce relatively large volumes from small facilities, and also of having a very high energy yield from a small volume to begin with. So the logistics are easy: just grab a standard off the shelf (nuclear powered) generator, and wire it up. Downside is high yield to the point that roofs may be blasted from buildings given even a relatively small leak.
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