Obama allows states to get waivers from No Child Left Behind

[Centurion1]

Yeah, I forgot to clarify, I want the vouchers along with the magnet and charter schools. I want nearly everything that is the reform toolbox to be implemented at this point, with the exception of merit pay, which is ironically anything but.


I am a bit iffy about Constitutional law, but I thought Lemon v Kurtzman already gave the OK on giving vouchers/money to private religious schools as long as the government's purpose was secular in nature (lemon test applies here).


EDIT: Nevermind, vouchers were specifically clarified in Zelman v Simmons-Harris I guess. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zelman_v._Simmons-Harris

No it's fine and a lot of kids who weren't catholic went to my local catholic high school because it is superior to the public schools around the area but you know people would find a way to **** and moan which would eventually create bureaucratic waste and red tape.

[a completely inoffensive name]

people would find a way to **** and moan which would eventually create bureaucratic waste and red tape.

Also one of the two things that I don't like the Teacher's Union doing is that they lobby to make it hard to open up any sort of private school in a region because they don't like the competition.

[Centurion1]

Also one of the two things that I don't like the Teacher's Union doing is that they lobby to make it hard to open up any sort of private school in a region because they don't like the competition.

I love and hate the teacher's union. However, i still consider it to be one of the few unions still truly necessary to protect its workers rights. What they really don't like isn't competition why would you think that? Teachers work at private schools too. They dislike them because they dislike not having any power or negotiation ability. Private schools are the teacher unions kryptonite.

[a completely inoffensive name]

I love and hate the teacher's union. However, i still consider it to be one of the few unions still truly necessary to protect its workers rights. What they really don't like isn't competition why would you think that?

If the state is a right to work state, than the private schools will most likely have teachers much cheaper than those working for the public schools. This makes the public school teachers look wasteful and thus the public will likely demand for their benefits/wages to be on par with the private teachers. Now the union as a whole is much weaker and has lost a large amount of potential money from its base. Introduce competition in the labor market and the market will naturally depress the wages, it's how it works for every sector.

I agree that the Teacher's Union is still worth keeping around though.

[Centurion1]

If the state is a right to work state, than the private schools will most likely have teachers much cheaper than those working for the public schools. This makes the public school teachers look wasteful and thus the public will likely demand for their benefits/wages to be on par with the private teachers. Now the union as a whole is much weaker and has lost a large amount of potential money from its base. Introduce competition in the labor market and the market will naturally depress the wages, it's how it works for every sector.

I agree that the Teacher's Union is still worth keeping around though.

No most people actually don't think that when they look a private school teachers being paid less. you technically don't have to accredited as a teacher at a private school. also class size is smaller, lets be honest your students are better, and your adminstration is far more strict about backing you up with students and parents.

Its a trade off of less pay for fewer ulcers (usually, obviously not always)

[a completely inoffensive name]

you technically don't have to accredited as a teacher at a private school. also class size is smaller, lets be honest your students are better, and your adminstration is far more strict about backing you up with students and parents.

Its a trade off of less pay for fewer ulcers (usually, obviously not always)

What you said is 100% correct, but I don't think for a second that the average citizen or even the typical parent knows any of that when they see the comparison. Parents today are disconnected with their schools, they don't know what is going on. Those that still have their children in public schools after the voucher program is implemented will be mostly the kind of parents who don't pay attention and will only see the difference in numbers, not the difference in context because they don't work hard enough in gathering info about the subject.

I feel this is how Wisconsin's teacher witch hunt played out.

[Centurion1]

What you said is 100% correct, but I don't think for a second that the average citizen or even the typical parent knows any of that when they see the comparison. Parents today are disconnected with their schools, they don't know what is going on. Those that still have their children in public schools after the voucher program is implemented will be mostly the kind of parents who don't pay attention and will only see the difference in numbers, not the difference in context because they don't work hard enough in gathering info about the subject.

I feel this is how Wisconsin's teacher witch hunt played out.

Yeah I have trouble recognizing what those average citizens (i.e. criminally stupid) people think since my mother is a teacher. All I see is the stress and the pain it causes her to be called a ***** or find things written on desks like Mrs. Centurion iz a lezbo. Those hurt twice as bad because she then realizes how freaking retarded some of the students are. Yeah so it just pisses me off to no end when teachers ar emade out to be bad guys. My mother has 2 bachelor degrees and a masters in education and shes making like 47k a year. That really sounds like a greedy witch to me.