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    If there really is something such as a neo-Confederate then it is a bunch of idiots who deserve to be ignored but why do I jump to the conclusion that he must have been part of a Civil War reenactment group...
    Not accurate, sadly. Nobody in their right mind gets worked up about Civil War reenactors.

    Perry accepted the endorsement of the "League of the South," who describe their mission just so: "The League of the South is a Southern Nationalist organization whose ultimate goal is a free and independent Southern republic." Its core beliefs include the abolition of the income tax and central banking, a Southern republic that "revives the use of State Militias in place of maintaining large, standing armies," and a society that "perpetuates the chivalric ideal of manhood." The group rejects "the American Empire that now occupies the South." (Original text here.) Worth noting, though, that the League of the South does not claim him as their own.

    Perry also declared that the secession of Texas was a real possibility.

    Do I think Perry is serious about any of this? Nope. Do I think he's pandering to the reactionary, secessionist Dixie voter? Yep.

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    On the bright side, polling suggests that a Perry run will effectively close the door on snowbilly grifter queen Sarah Palin. Which is a good thing. Then again, as Governor Haley Barbour recently put it, "she could raise enough money to burn a wet mule." So ... maybe not.
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    In that case I find it hard to believe that he could get elected Dog Catcher...

    Rather more like another Duke candidacy.


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    I'm not so much worried about Perry's endorsement from the League of the South, but then again I have my own neo-fascist/nationalist/confederate/evil traitor sympathies. (That Salon writer is quite the rhetorician!)

    What does bother me, though, is his deep connection to Seven Mountains Dominionism.

    On this day, the Lord’s messengers arrived in the form of two Texas pastors, Tom Schlueter of Arlington and Bob Long of San Marcos, who called on Perry in the governor’s office inside the state Capitol. Schlueter and Long both oversee small congregations, but they are more than just pastors. They consider themselves modern-day apostles and prophets, blessed with the same gifts as Old Testament prophets or New Testament apostles.

    The pastors told Perry of God’s grand plan for Texas. A chain of powerful prophecies had proclaimed that Texas was “The Prophet State,” anointed by God to lead the United States into revival and Godly government. And the governor would have a special role.

    The day before the meeting, Schlueter had received a prophetic message from Chuck Pierce, an influential prophet from Denton, Texas. God had apparently commanded Schlueter—through Pierce—to “pray by lifting the hand of the one I show you that is in the place of civil rule.”

    Gov. Perry, it seemed.

    Schlueter had prayed before his congregation: “Lord Jesus I bring to you today Gov. Perry. ... I am just bringing you his hand and I pray Lord that he will grasp ahold of it. For if he does you will use him mightily.”

    And grasp ahold the governor did. At the end of their meeting, Perry asked the two pastors to pray over him. As the pastors would later recount, the Lord spoke prophetically as Schlueter laid his hands on Perry, their heads bowed before a painting of the Battle of the Alamo. Schlueter “declared over [Perry] that there was a leadership role beyond Texas and that Texas had a role beyond what people understand,” Long later told his congregation.

    So you have to wonder: Is Rick Perry God’s man for president?

    Schlueter, Long and other prayer warriors in a little-known but increasingly influential movement at the periphery of American Christianity seem to think so. The movement is called the New Apostolic Reformation. Believers fashion themselves modern-day prophets and apostles. They have taken Pentecostalism, with its emphasis on ecstatic worship and the supernatural, and given it an adrenaline shot.

    The movement’s top prophets and apostles believe they have a direct line to God. Through them, they say, He communicates specific instructions and warnings. When mankind fails to heed the prophecies, the results can be catastrophic: earthquakes in Japan, terrorist attacks in New York, and economic collapse. On the other hand, they believe their God-given decrees have ended mad cow disease in Germany and produced rain in drought-stricken Texas.

    Their beliefs can tend toward the bizarre. Some consider Freemasonry a “demonic stronghold” tantamount to witchcraft. The Democratic Party, one prominent member believes, is controlled by Jezebel and three lesser demons. Some prophets even claim to have seen demons at public meetings. They’ve taken biblical literalism to an extreme. In Texas, they engage in elaborate ceremonies involving branding irons, plumb lines and stakes inscribed with biblical passages driven into the earth of every Texas county.

    If they simply professed unusual beliefs, movement leaders wouldn’t be remarkable. But what makes the New Apostolic Reformation movement so potent is its growing fascination with infiltrating politics and government. The new prophets and apostles believe Christians—certain Christians—are destined to not just take “dominion” over government, but stealthily climb to the commanding heights of what they term the “Seven Mountains” of society, including the media and the arts and entertainment world. They believe they’re intended to lord over it all. As a first step, they’re leading an “army of God” to commandeer civilian government.

    In Rick Perry, they may have found their vessel. And the interest appears to be mutual.
    Oh, and he was Al Gore's chair in Texas.

    Unless Pawlenty can pull out a big win in Iowa this weekend, I'm increasingly resigned to the fact that I'll be supporting Romney. I'm warming to the idea. He reminds me of an old school Northeastern business Republican, back before Goldwater and then Reagan transformed the party, which is kind of cool in a throwback sense - a modern Calvin Coolidge.

    I really don't know what's wrong with Pawlenty. He's fairly socially conservative, very fiscally conservative, and has focused his message on entitlement reform - seems like a great fit to me. Sure he's 'boring' I guess, but what's wrong with boring and competent? It beats... well... this is about the GOP, not the current administration. Huntsman would have been a good choice too, but he was DOA. Who would have thought a Republican governor from Utah would be too moderate for the party?
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    I'm increasingly resigned to the fact that I'll be supporting Romney. I'm warming to the idea. He reminds me of an old school Northeastern business Republican, back before Goldwater and then Reagan transformed the party, which is kind of cool in a throwback sense - a modern Calvin Coolidge.
    I think Romney is the pick of the current litter. He's a terrible politician, but I think he'd be a lot like Bush 41; bad on the stump, loved by few, but reasonable and responsible.

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    Oh, and he was Al Gore's chair in Texas.
    That's the part that astonishes me. I know a chap's politics can evolve over time, but from Al Gore to God's Chosen Executioner? And he is taken seriously?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur View Post
    I think Romney is the pick of the current litter. He's a terrible politician, but I think he'd be a lot like Bush 41; bad on the stump, loved by few, but reasonable and responsible.
    Debatable it takes more than money for a republican to win somewhere like Massachusetts.

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    GOP candidate debate tonight, I think it's on Fox News, so those of you who still get broadcast TV can watch it. I guess I'll check out the highlights on YouTube or something like that. Dammit, Netflix, why won't you stream current politics?

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    GOP candidate debate tonight, I think it's on Fox News, so those of you who still get broadcast TV can watch it. I guess I'll check out the highlights on YouTube or something like that. Dammit, Netflix, why won't you stream current politics?
    Who is debating?


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    The commentary on all channels has been infuriating and the same. It's like none of the commentators watched the debate and had all of their talking points written before the thing. I love Romney the most, as many of you know, but I think he just did blah tonight. Pawlenty did much better than he has done so far, Bachmann looked okay, Cain looks out of his depth. I thought the winners were Santorum, Paul and Huntsman. They weren't as afraid to say interesting things, probably because of their poll numbers. The clear loser to me was the insufferable Gingrich.

    I am horrified that Bachmann is on the House intelligence committee. also, while Fox is the embodiment of garbage, in all honesty the questions were pretty good and moderately damning.

    Perry is going to make a big splash.
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    I liked the part when Romney said we are very close to no longer being a free market.
    (Will edit this with more as I finish watching.)

    EDIT 1: I liked the part when Bachmann was accused by Pawlenty saying that she has no accomplishments in Congress. She then responded that she helped pass the Freedom of Light Bulb choice act allowing Americans to choose the lights bulbs they wanted. Yes, that is the kind of big measure that a president makes.

    EDIT 2: I liked the part when Huntsman was asked about his policy towards the illegal immigrants already in the US since he is on record for saying that it is unrealistic to kick them all out. He then talked about all the other issues he is conservative on like being pro life for no reason before openly admitting that he doesn't want to answer that question until the border is secure. This might have been the worst question dodge I have ever seen by a candidate.

    EDIT 3: I like the part when Cain talked about his 4 part solution, the 4 problems of illegal immigration and why the number 4 is the number 4 for 4 reasons.

    EDIT 4: I liked the part when everyone raised their hand and said they would reject a real long term plan to solve the debt problem if there was a ratio of 10 dollars in cuts to every 1 dollar in raising revenue. So now we know that every candidate is not negotiable with Democrats and thus has to have their way at the risk of the country stagnating. Great leadership.

    EDIT 5: I liked the part in the very beginning when the moderator asked everyone to not use talking points in this debate and then Michelle Bachmann proceeded to talk about how OBAMA IS A ONE. TERM. PRESIDENT! like in every public venue she has been in.

    EDIT 6: I liked the part when Santorum talked about mandates and the Constitution and attributed to Ron Paul the exact opposite of what Ron Paul just said.

    EDIT 7: I liked the part when parts 5 and 6 of the 10 part youtube videos I have been watching disappear.

    EDIT 8: I liked the part when Ron Paul schooled angry Santorum about Iran-US history.

    EDIT 9: I liked the part when Gingrich called every question asked of him a "gotcha" question.

    EDIT 10: I liked the part when the crowd kept booing the moderators for asking tough questions based on candidates previous statements.

    EDIT 11: I liked the part when Romney said he wanted the marriage issue to be decided on the federal level because people move and "what will happen if a couple move to a state where the marriage isn't recognized, what is the status of the child?" Completely ignorant of the "Full Faith and Credit" clause in the Constitution that deals with that.

    EDIT 12: I liked the part when Santorum kept trashing Ron Paul for no reason and always had visible looks of disgust on his face whenever Ron Paul talked.

    EDIT 13: I liked the part when Pawlenty took a Spiderman quote and turned it into scripture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff View Post
    It's like none of the commentators watched the debate and had all of their talking points written before the thing.
    you don´t think that......nahhhh...that couldn´t happen



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    EDIT 9: I liked the part when Gingrich called every question asked of him a "gotcha" question.
    And people say Palin didn´t have a serious political impact....
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    What a great debate!

    Say what you want about Fox News, but Bret Baier doesn't play any gimmicky CNN games. There were no vapid 'Coke or Pepsi' time wasters, and there was no painfully forced youtube involvement for the sole purpose of trying to seem hip. There were, however, tough, sometimes piercing questions that put them all on the spot at one time or another, and moderator challenges when they didn't answer them. Bachmann wasn't able to walk all over the mods like she was in the CNN debate.

    Quite frankly, none of them came off great. Between the tougher questions and their seemingly collective decision to drop the nice act and go after each other hard, they all ended up looking like hypocritical politicians - which is what they ultimately are. I think Romney won the night solely because he did not have a big gaffe or damaging sound bite emerge from the evening's event. His explanation of Romney-care even seemed less convoluted. Pawlenty may be out, but I'm glad he tried to drag Bachmann down with him. Finally somebody on the GOP side is questioning why this woman is qualified to run.

    My least favorite performance was Huntsman. Does he really think he can out-social conservative Bachmann or Santorum? He's been correctly labeled as a moderate, and should own it. He should have just come out and said "Yeah, I'm not a trailer park Republican. I'm not going to cynically bash the gays, I'm not going to bash the muslims, I'm not going to call for throwing women who've had abortions in jail, and I'm not going to make overt appeals to religion. What I do bring to the table is more business experience than Mitt Romney, a better governing record than Rick Perry, and more foreign policy experience than all the other candidates combined. Take me or leave me." Of course that would never happen, but it would have been refreshing.

    Favorite line of the night was Santorum attacking Iran by accusing them of mistreating gays! HAH! He even shuttered a little bit when he said it, almost as if he could hear his rabidly anti-gay base throwing their dinners at their TVs in unison.
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    Im not sure how huntsman could have possibly owned his own record more than he did last night. He came off well for a first time presidential debater
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    Scarborough - Bachmann is a joke



    what you guys think? looking for a new job by this time next week?

    ahhh if only you guys could have republicans like the ones on tv..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin View Post
    Scarborough - Bachmann is a joke



    what you guys think? looking for a new job by this time next week?

    ahhh if only you guys could have republicans like the ones on tv..
    joe scarborough works for msnbc which is liberals fox news, he will likely get a pay raise for that rant.

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    He's completely correct, though. She's an embarrassment to the party that gives the mainstream media a great angle and I believe (hope... pray) that the silent majority of mainstream conservatives will quickly end her candidacy as soon as possible.

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    And as soon as write that, Bachmann wins the Ames straw poll. Un - effing - believable. The base disregarded a competent, conservative administrator (TPaw) for a welfare queen with less experience than Barack Obama had going into the '08 election. What's happening to the GOP?

    Oh well, Ames isn't a strong predictor of who the eventual nominee will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centurion1 View Post
    joe scarborough works for msnbc which is liberals fox news, he will likely get a pay raise for that rant.
    Which is why MSNBC fired Keith Olbermann, am I right?


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    Which is why MSNBC fired Keith Olbermann, am I right?
    And which is why Fox fired Glenn Beck. Both got rid of their resident extremists.

    Similarities continue, neh?

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    And which is why Fox fired Glenn Beck. Both got rid of their resident extremists.

    Similarities continue, neh?
    Glenn Beck left because he wanted to do other projects. Roger Ailes said he wanted someone to commit to a daily television show, which Beck couldn't juggle with all his other stuff he does.

    From wiki:
    FNC and Beck announced that he would be teaming with Fox to produce a slate of projects for Fox News and its digital properties.[8]


    Not much of a similarity if you ask me.



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    Glenn Beck left because he wanted to do other projects. Roger Ailes said he wanted someone to commit to a daily television show, which Beck couldn't juggle with all his other stuff he does.

    From wiki:
    FNC and Beck announced that he would be teaming with Fox to produce a slate of projects for Fox News and its digital properties.[8]


    Not much of a similarity if you ask me.

    First of all Roger Ailes is being a sound businessman.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_846001.html

    http://www.politicususa.com/en/glenn-beck-fired

    It's all spin to not piss off the more ardent beck fans.


    http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/...was-he-pushed/

    Then again..... did MSNBC really want Olbermann gone or did he want to leave too?

    No Beck's production company would be doing future projects not Beck himself.

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    LOL Beck left because if he didn't he would get canned due to having his number of advertisers go from more than 50 to like 2. Buy more gold!!!!

    I believe Olberman's ad base went through the floor as well
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    LOL Beck left because if he didn't he would get canned due to having his number of advertisers go from more than 50 to like 2. Buy more gold!!!!

    I believe Olberman's ad base went through the floor as well
    Not to get completely derailed, but MRD is half-right. Beck's advertiser load and viewership demo were trending in bad directions, and he was making the majority of his money outside of FNC, so they split. Olbermann, on the other hand, had a habit of irritating his bosses, a trend that has followed him throughout his career. The only reason they put up with him as long as they did at MSNBC is that he had relatively good ratings (for MSNBC, which has always had a poor showing).

    Don't know the details, don't really care, but apparently Olbermann did something or another to permanently annoy his corporate overlords, they felt, rightly or wrongly, that they didn't need him anymore. So they canned him.

    Similarities? I guess. But more differences than otherwise.

    I'm kinda floored by Bachmann winning the straw poll. She is an irresponsible pick, IMHO, both from a realpolitik let's-win-the-election perspective and from a who-would-govern-reasonably perspective.
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    Would someone explain to me how she won the straw poll??
    Is this a statewide poll off the potential electorate or some kind of poll of the more lunatic elements
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    Quote Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger View Post
    And as soon as write that, Bachmann wins the Ames straw poll. Un - effing - believable. The base disregarded a competent, conservative administrator (TPaw) for a welfare queen with less experience than Barack Obama had going into the '08 election. What's happening to the GOP?
    what happened? they purposely astro turfed a movement for the more fringe elements of their party, because it was helpful in combating Obama.....and now the tail is wagging the dog.
    it was always a dangerous and irresponsible move....the head of the GOP might have known what was going on, that is was just tactics and rhetoric to make for good tv coverage, and that when real decisions had to be made the wingnuts would shut up and let the adults decide things.
    the problem is that the morons on the ground that were clueless enough to call themselfs tea-baggers were also clueless enough to think it was all for real.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin View Post
    That's one competent, seasoned, reasonable candidate down, only two more to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur View Post
    That's one competent, seasoned, reasonable candidate down, only two more to go.
    hahaha. I like Huntsman as my second choice but, fortunately for Romney, his campaign hasn't started out strong and is going nowhere. He'd be a great Sec of State in a Romney administration.
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    Ja Mata, Tosa.

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    Bah, don't knock it until you read the article. I sense a tone of sarcasm in that title, and I have a feeling that the voter base that Bachman has swooning for her is definitely not the voter base who reads National Review, as National Review often takes very reasonable views where others take black or white.
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