Netherworld III: Final Judgment [Concluded]

[Earthling]

Wasn't expecting things to develop like they did today but it's even more obvious Renata is a good lynch now. Anyone voting third candidates would do well to switch over.

The rest of this is directed at and about Axeguy, I'm assuming he'll catch on as he seems to have followed town discussion in the past. For that matter since he targeted Zack N3 in the writeup that could explain other people's claimed unexpected results there, we'd probably have to find who Axeguy is and ask him to be sure.

Without giving up anything about himself we know Axeguy can read the thread just as we've read the writeups about him thus far. So, it seems Axeguy can kill every other night which means he's up again tonight. At least so far I would say his attempts have been generally pro-town too, especially going after Double A who lots of people easily had as a suspect the last time. If he is town aligned or is a neutral who wants to help the town he would do well to follow the same pattern again tonight, and try to get rid of someone we all know is suspicious and likely to waste the town's time even if not one of the main mafia.

Given today's lynch and other developments, Axeguy should settle TheLastDays once and for all.

Whatever Axeguy is, he ought to be able to kill basic human townies. So if TLD is town, he just dies and that's done, no more distractions and bad votes. If he's not a regular human and survives that'll be about enough proof already that he's not town, without wasting other people's actions.

That said Axeguy might not be quite willing enough to attempt that hit for whatever reason (if he's not town) but still it would benefit us to have his cooperation. So if he just won't go after TLD I'll give a second recommendation anyway, so there's no confusion or backing out, which would be Diamondeye.

Now that that's all clear, Axeguy, if you attack a third different person without extensively justifying it, having revealed yourself to a bunch of others or in thread or something, the town should take that as an anti-town move. Pretty cut and dry.

[TheLastDays]

Wasn't expecting things to develop like they did today but it's even more obvious Renata is a good lynch now. Anyone voting third candidates would do well to switch over.

The rest of this is directed at and about Axeguy, I'm assuming he'll catch on as he seems to have followed town discussion in the past. For that matter since he targeted Zack N3 in the writeup that could explain other people's claimed unexpected results there, we'd probably have to find who Axeguy is and ask him to be sure.

Without giving up anything about himself we know Axeguy can read the thread just as we've read the writeups about him thus far. So, it seems Axeguy can kill every other night which means he's up again tonight. At least so far I would say his attempts have been generally pro-town too, especially going after Double A who lots of people easily had as a suspect the last time. If he is town aligned or is a neutral who wants to help the town he would do well to follow the same pattern again tonight, and try to get rid of someone we all know is suspicious and likely to waste the town's time even if not one of the main mafia.

Given today's lynch and other developments, Axeguy should settle TheLastDays once and for all.

Whatever Axeguy is, he ought to be able to kill basic human townies. So if TLD is town, he just dies and that's done, no more distractions and bad votes. If he's not a regular human and survives that'll be about enough proof already that he's not town, without wasting other people's actions.

That said Axeguy might not be quite willing enough to attempt that hit for whatever reason (if he's not town) but still it would benefit us to have his cooperation. So if he just won't go after TLD I'll give a second recommendation anyway, so there's no confusion or backing out, which would be Diamondeye.

Now that that's all clear, Axeguy, if you attack a third different person without extensively justifying it, having revealed yourself to a bunch of others or in thread or something, the town should take that as an anti-town move. Pretty cut and dry.

You know what makes people vote you? It's the arrogance with which you go about things. YOU dictate what's the right targets and if axeguy doesn't attack these he's clearly anti town? This has nothing to do with me being one of your targets. Believe it or not, I'd say the same if I wasn't.

So much for that.

Alright, well IF I get killed tonight I'd want to warn everyone about trusting axeguy. Third parties don't exactly have a record of being trustworthy in Netherworld.

[Chaotix]

Wasn't expecting things to develop like they did today but it's even more obvious Renata is a good lynch now. Anyone voting third candidates would do well to switch over.

Earthling, I'm genuinedly interested in your reasoning for voting Renata. Whether your textwalls are annoying or not, you usually have a decent analysis.

Secura appears to be voting for Renata because she thinks she was metagamed, and she wanted to know what Renata's actions were. Apparently Renata is a scanner (or claims to be one), but that hasn't stopped everyone else from hopping on a bandwagon.

So what makes Renata a good choice for the lynch? Why is she a better candidate than glyphz? Because, as far as I can tell, this lynch is about whether we trust one's word or the other's, because one of them has to be lying. But from where I'm standing, it looks like neither of them are guilty if they've been roleblocked and incapable of killing for several nights.

[Beskar]

unvote; vote: Renata

I have been lead to believe that Renata isn't part of the town faction, so either independent or mafia.

Which are you?

[glyphz]

Secura appears to be voting for Renata because she thinks she was metagamed, and she wanted to know what Renata's actions were. Apparently Renata is a scanner (or claims to be one), but that hasn't stopped everyone else from hopping on a bandwagon.

So what makes Renata a good choice for the lynch? Why is she a better candidate than glyphz? Because, as far as I can tell, this lynch is about whether we trust one's word or the other's, because one of them has to be lying. But from where I'm standing, it looks like neither of them are guilty if they've been roleblocked and incapable of killing for several nights.

Renata says that she scans. It looks like she did not scan White_eyes:D.
Secura confirms that Renata was not the one who scanned White_eyes:D, and thinks not too highly of which faction she's w/.
I have to come to a similar conclusion as well.

[Chaotix]

Renata says that she scans. It looks like she did not scan White_eyes:D.
Secura confirms that Renata was not the one who scanned White_eyes:D, and thinks not too highly of which faction she's w/.
I have to come to a similar conclusion as well.

Well, I'm not inclined to listen to much of what you say until you admit that you were active at night, whether publicly or privately.

I have no doubt that you're not a killer, but still. I have no reason to believe that Renata is not a scanner, beyond WIFOM arguments.

[Secura]

Secura confirms that Renata was not the one who scanned White_eyes:D, and thinks not too highly of which faction she's w/.

I didn't debate whether she tracked WE or not, merely that her alignment should be questioned if she is making such a claim.

[glyphz]

I didn't debate whether she tracked WE or not, merely that her alignment should be questioned if she is making such a claim.

sorry.
what I meant was your earlier statement confirmed it for me that Renata was not the one who checked WE_:D.

As for the matter of multiple scanners, I have reason to believe Renata is not of the pro-town kind, but a 3rd-party, at worse scum (esp. since you're not aware of each other).

[dcmort93]

I'm moving up to Indiana from Texas tomorrow for school, so I will be with limited internet access. I'll try my best to keep pu with the thread on my phone and when I get there, but I make no promises. I should be back Tuesday night.

[Yaropolk]

Here is some food for thought: I had Glyphz blocked on Nights 2, 4, and 5, initially because I thought he was the Axe guy. This means he cannot possibly be the Axe guy, the pearly wings lady, the scarlet dress lady, or the green robe guy. I was 100% sure he was innocent so tonight he went unblocked and the dark sword killer showed up.

Glyphz swore up and down via PM that he's a plain vanilla townie. Yet I have a claim from white_eyes (who claimed to be Prometheus, a vote switcher) that his power failed to work on Glyphz, and now Renata claims he's active.

This means either glyphz is lying about being a vanilla townie and is either the black sword killer or some other role. Or both Renata and White_Eyes are lying / mistaken.

I'll take my chances with voting off glyphz, and if dark sword killer shows up, Renata is next.

On a more personal note, Earthling, my protector was killed off last night. If any other doctors are out there, I would appreciate some coverage.

[Choxorn]

Here is some food for thought: I had Glyphz blocked on Nights 2, 4, and 5, initially because I thought he was the Axe guy. This means he cannot possibly be the Axe guy, the pearly wings lady, the scarlet dress lady, or the green robe guy. I was 100% sure he was innocent so tonight he went unblocked and the dark sword killer showed up.

Glyphz swore up and down via PM that he's a plain vanilla townie. Yet I have a claim from white_eyes (who claimed to be Prometheus, a vote switcher) that his power failed to work on Glyphz, and now Renata claims he's active.

This means either glyphz is lying about being a vanilla townie and is either the black sword killer or some other role. Or both Renata and White_Eyes are lying / mistaken.

I'll take my chances with voting off glyphz, and if dark sword killer shows up, Renata is next.

On a more personal note, Earthling, my protector was killed off last night. If any other doctors are out there, I would appreciate some coverage.

This is the best case I've seen so far.

Unvote, Vote: glyphz

[glyphz]

Here is some food for thought: I had Glyphz blocked on Nights 2, 4, and 5, initially because I thought he was the Axe guy. This means he cannot possibly be the Axe guy, the pearly wings lady, the scarlet dress lady, or the green robe guy. I was 100% sure he was innocent so tonight he went unblocked and the dark sword killer showed up.

Glyphz swore up and down via PM that he's a plain vanilla townie. Yet I have a claim from white_eyes (who claimed to be Prometheus, a vote switcher) that his power failed to work on Glyphz, and now Renata claims he's active.

This means either glyphz is lying about being a vanilla townie and is either the black sword killer or some other role. Or both Renata and White_Eyes are lying / mistaken.

I'll take my chances with voting off glyphz, and if dark sword killer shows up, Renata is next.

On a more personal note, Earthling, my protector was killed off last night. If any other doctors are out there, I would appreciate some coverage.

I'm vanilla as vanilla gets.


Dude, you need to get more info/confirmation & have your bases covered, before you jump into a conclusion and stick your neck out like that...
Just because a new killer (flame guy) showed up the night I was not blocked does not mean I'm it (&you just said I can't be any of the other killers). This killer looks important. Do you think I'd act the way I did D3 & D4, and try to help lynch myself, if I were the flame killer?

Do you know what night WE:D made an action on me?
Was it on a night you blocked me as well?
Can there be other roles that we're not aware of that could cause the mess we've had. You know well I'm pretty popular night action target.
Are you sure Renata ain't lying or scum? I'm sure you, yourself was not aware of Renata's scan power, esp. when you're aware of someone else being able to scan?
You thought she may well be third party (you voted her yourself).
If you think both lynch candidates are possible scum, you don't need to reveal just yet. (at least, have one of us lynched today, and encourage others to vote off the other the next day.)

You just revealed yourself on a possibility not an assured find, and on a townie no less.
What a fiasco this is...
*sigh*

[Earthling]

I have no reason to believe that Renata is not a scanner, beyond WIFOM arguments.

Renata is basically guaranteed to be lying about how she was roleblocked, targeted by a cult, and other events she claimed happened to her. Especially scummy is that she directly claimed she was not active when she was scanned active according to others, so you'd have to say that not only glyphz is lying but Secura as well, or else disbelieve previous results on people like fluffy and white_eyes which are again claimed due to a second non-Renata, scanner.

So at best you could Renata might be a scanner, and neutral, but she really can't be a second town-aligned scanner identical to another town-aligned scanner that already provided pretty much verified results.

It is worth noting she really has claimed almost nothing at all that actually indicates she is a really a scanner anyway! A shame none of the living seem to have brought this up yet but everything Renata claimed could easily, easily be sponging some ally's info or lying to the town. We have a refusal to claim a couple of scans or she says she missed orders, the scan on God Emperor is ridiculously easy to fake because just about everyone would agree he was an active scum by now. Furthermore, her behavior is extremely contradictory to believing that God Emperor was a scum - if Renata had certain proof she herself had seen and knew GE was a scum, why did she not follow up on supporters and possible allies of GE in any future actions or lynches?

So in the end, the only thing with any meaning Renata claims she's done the entire game is scan glyphz, who is conveniently her rival for a lynch today.

Regarding the cult business as an addendum, it's both worth discussing and pointing out we probably have little reason to believe a cult exists now. Apart from one writeup, they haven't shown back up and the vote progression doesn't seem to indicate enough activity given the size the cult wuld be expected to be. Vote-switching seems like a better explanation now for the one person "seduced" N3, and anyone who still believes otherwise should provide much better explanation, but that's just food for thought.

[glyphz]

Here is some food for thought: I had Glyphz blocked on Nights 2, 4, and 5, initially because I thought he was the Axe guy. This means he cannot possibly be the Axe guy, the pearly wings lady, the scarlet dress lady, or the green robe guy. I was 100% sure he was innocent so tonight he went unblocked and the dark sword killer showed up.

Quoting. Since I was found inactive then I can't be the one who killed Believer, who if I'm not mistaken is the one who took action the other night as well

[Believer]

Quoting. Since I was found inactive then I can't be the one who killed Believer, who if I'm not mistaken is the one who took action the other night as well

Also I cannot be either of those characters. Therefore I should be ressurrected.

[Yaropolk]

Almost forgot:

unvote; vote: glyphz