Netherworld III: Final Judgment [Concluded]

[Earthling]

There aren't reveals in this game, so please stop saying things like "confirmed scum", Earthling.

That's not exactly true as the rules and writeups do prove in some cases who is or isn't neutral. Though I guess you could say that Renata was lying completely, and assume for no reason that GE wasn't killing people at night, combined with the conclusion that only Renata was scum.

I think the quality of the conclusion on GE is self-evident, so the question is really, what you are doing to pretend otherwise or in general arguing with dead townies.

You're already like #3 in the people-who-need-to-go rankings right now. Are you trying to push for number two, encouraged by already being there in the Billingsley computer or what?

[White_eyes:D]

And I come back from my trip to this???!

Also, stop voting for your doctor...it makes no sense. I mean Khaan does have some kind of "Doctors must be evil thing" but it was just a phase he went though.

[seireikhaan]

A wall of dark, crimson light stood before Secura, who had wondered her way to the edge of Angra Mainyu's barrier. She raised her right hand to it lightly. The barrier hissed, and she pulled her hand back with a jolt. "Are we to stay here forever?" She wondered. "Will he keep this even if it means his own destruction?"

"I suppose I'll find out," a smooth, deep voice answered her from behind. She whirled around. A shadowy soldier stood before her, hand on a sword hilt. "But you shall not." He took his hand from hilt, raised them both straight out, palms facing forward. A stream of fire shot from both. The respective streams snaked around Secura, writhing, expanding. She made a move to flee, but a stream jolted itself in her way. "Now, my dear, your time is at an end." He clapped his hands together, and the two bolts exploded in a brilliant flash, their proximity all but incinerating Secura completely.





Due to the fact that I'll be moving over the next day, this phase will be a touch longer than normal.

Alive: 21

Andres
Autolycus
Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Choxorn
Classical Hero
Dcmort
Death is Yonder
Diamondeye
Johnhughthom
GeneralHankerchief
Glyphz
Khazaar
Major Robert Dump
Riedquat
TheLastDays
Warman
Woad&fangs
Yaropolk
Zack



Killed: 12

TinCow (N1)
Tratorix (N1)
Visorslash (N1)
B_ray (N2)
Reenk Roink (N3)
Andres (N4)
Ironside (N4)
Romanic (N5)
Double A (N5)
Earthling (N6)
Believer (N7)
Secura (N8)


Lynched: 7

Arjos (D1)
God Emperor (D2)
Fluffy (D3)
Askthepizzaguy (D4)
White eyes (D5)
Renata (D6)
Seon (D7)

WoK: 1

SoulBlade

[Believer]

Secura dies as soon as I'm gone? Surprise surprise.

[Diamondeye]

Secura dies as soon as I'm gone? Surprise surprise.

Ponies?

[Believer]

Ponies?

They play.

[Beskar]

Vote: Andres

Last person Secura voted for plus unsure of his true alignment.

[autolycus]

It seems plausible or even likely that Seon was scum, since this kill looks different from the previous ones.

[Andres]

Vote: Andres

Last person Secura voted for plus unsure of his true alignment.

What a rubbish case.

Vote : Beskar

[Beskar]

What a rubbish case.

Vote : Beskar

Why is it rubbish?

- Who revived you?
- How come the pro-town don't know information on this?
- What happened on the night you died with General Handkerchief in the write-up?

If you want me to reconsider, going "rubbish case vote:beskar" isn't the solution, I have a bunch of valid questions and I haven't seen any answers or it appears people simply assumed you are not guilty because you died originally looking like a town.

[Zack]

What a rubbish case.

Vote : Beskar

Then, enlighten us -- what is a good one?

Vote: Andres

[Riedquat]

It seems plausible or even likely that Seon was scum, since this kill looks different from the previous ones.

The only difference to me is he didn't use his poisonous sword this time; he killed Secura with fire as he did with Earthling...

[Major Robert Dump]

Hi can I get a revive pls?

[Riedquat]

Hi can I get a revive pls?

Wait to be dead first!

[Earthling]

What a rubbish case.

It's not a rubbish case, and Beskar's questions are valid. It is true there are better cases which should take higher priority today, I'd suggest in ascending order Zack, Diamondeye, and TLD. Still better than a random lynch to see what's up with you.

[Chaotix]

I think there's merit in going after Andres today. Whatever's going on between him and GH seems fishy, especially considering they both seem much quieter than usual.

Vote: Andres

[GeneralHankerchief]

especially considering they both seem much quieter than usual.

I have 11 more posts than you.

Vote: Chaotix

[johnhughthom]

Vote: Andres

[Earthling]

I have 11 more posts than you.

This horrible attempt at a defense if it wasn't just an accident would make me much more comfortable with lynching you/Andres, and given that you we have time I'm less likely to object to the living doing so. An explanation at least is needed as to why Andres didn't protect Secura if he's still town, as he certainly should not keep protecting you.

To reiterate on why your statement isn't helpful, it's obviously true that you've said very little the whole game and a very large number of your postcount are posts acting as a moderator that have nothing at all to do with contributing to the game. Extremely lame, you've absolutely got to provide a better explanation than that, not just OMGUS vote.

[GeneralHankerchief]

My own posting behavior does not make what I said about Chaotix any less true.

[Beskar]

My own posting behavior does not make what I said about Chaotix any less true.

It does if you keep replying, as you would have a higher postcount!

[Believer]

Why has Beskar never been under pressure?

[Riedquat]

Why has Beskar never been under pressure?

He wasn't around...

[Believer]

He wasn't around...

Well now he is, pressure ensues!

[Earthling]

Combination of being away a little while and no need for us to pressure a likely townie. Very few people have been under pressure at all anyway.

Which does remind me it needs a little pointing out to bandwagonners today that voting Andres is not going to succeed in a "pressure" sense. Either you're in it to lynch him or you're not, this isn't a situation where we can necessarily expect info and backing off.

If he is town and was town before, in other words he was always town, he's not going to give up the reviver. If he's now a cultist or something he's also not going to give up his cult leader. This isn't likely to swing on new information about Andres, and nor should we really expect much new on other candidates, so don't provide that as a lazy reason.

[Riedquat]

I only know I've a terrible headache now! While Beskar's questions are completely valid I don't feel like voting for a known doctor, killed and revived... but still...would like to know Secura's motives for voting him yesterday...

Vote: MRD

[Andres]

Why is it rubbish?

- Who revived you?
- How come the pro-town don't know information on this?
- What happened on the night you died with General Handkerchief in the write-up?

If you want me to reconsider, going "rubbish case vote:beskar" isn't the solution, I have a bunch of valid questions and I haven't seen any answers or it appears people simply assumed you are not guilty because you died originally looking like a town.

Why didn't you ask those questions in the first place?

- I won't reveal who revived me. It would be very unsportsmanslike to betray the player who was kind enough to bring me back from the dead, after I was killed by the mafia.
- Ask the "pro-town". I clearly stated I will not cooperate with a pro-town network. A member of the so-called "pro-town" group approached me and I gave him the same answer. This is not uncommon for me. Check The Pirate Ship game, I think that's the first game were I decided to never ever again be part of a pro-town network, for reasons I already stated in this thread. It's a matter of principle.
- On the night I died, I protected GH.

[Beskar]

I spoke to Secura the other day round as she popped to say hello to me after work as I returned from my trip. We spoke about the game (amongst other things) and I was asking if she knew anything about Andres since I asked in thread (with no replies or anything) since Secura said she was in touch with Anjou Mainyu and other pro-towns. She said she knew nothing about any revivers and there was talk of Andres possibly being recruited by a independent/cult/mafia by the revive because there were suggestions from sources which said he was no longer simply a normal vanilla. Not sure if Secura could say this or not (due to rule constraints) but I am putting that out there.

Why didn't you ask those questions in the first place?

- I won't reveal who revived me. It would be very unsportsmanslike to betray the player who was kind enough to bring me back from the dead, after I was killed by the mafia.
- Ask the "pro-town". I clearly stated I will not cooperate with a pro-town network. A member of the so-called "pro-town" group approached me and I gave him the same answer. This is not uncommon for me. Check The Pirate Ship game, I think that's the first game were I decided to never ever again be part of a pro-town network, for reasons I already stated in this thread. It's a matter of principle.
- On the night I died, I protected GH.

I asked them last day phase and referred to them during the night-phase. I didn't randomly come up and say "Vote: Andres", there was a sign clear I had suspicions about the nature of your revival and publicly aired them before voicing any support for voting you.

I also never asked for their username, I asked for their role name. Because who can revive in this game? It is bound to be some sort of god or demon, not the local eunuch medic. This suggests it is either a independent or god/demon which is responsible. By providing their role name, we would have a closer idea to who is responsible and what faction they most likely would be.

So why did you chose to protect GH, did you even have a choice in the matter? Did you know you would die? Did you know you would be revived?

[Andres]

I was converted by Ishtar. My death broke my ties to that cult. I was revived and no longer part of the Ishtar cult. Ishtar never revealed herself to me. Being converted by Ishtar didn't grant me additional abilities.

[Beskar]

I was converted by Ishtar. My death broke my ties to that cult. I was revived and no longer part of the Ishtar cult. Ishtar never revealed herself to me. Being converted by Ishtar didn't grant me additional abilities.

Going to list these questions more as points, to confirm this is actually you are saying.

So when you died, you was a cultist (and not town) ?
While as a cultist (to Ishtar) you was protecting GeneralHandkerchief?
You died while protecting GH, then you was revived by person x who is role y? (please at least give role y, it isn't their forum name, so isn't unsportmanship)
While revived, you are no longer part of cult Ishtar. Have they tried to recruit you again?
Are you now part of another cult or grouping?
Upon your revival, did you gain additional abilities?
Who have you been protecting, GH still or you now protecting person x ?
Can person x revive more people?