Would you play another tournament with EBO MP EDU 2.1.1?

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

I would. I think there are some imbalances in 2.1.1 but that several of these are easily addressed and pretty universally recognized.

[Vega]

I would. I think there are some imbalances in 2.1.1 but that several of these are easily addressed and pretty universally recognized.

Like decreasing missile range, missile atack and missile accuracy for sagitary and with same cost of 1440 mnai, they are useles now, i am now forced to use mercenaries and for imperial era precisely siryans or cretans.I agree with lazy that this need more testing...

[-Stormrage-]

I think we should do exhibition matches as lazyo said.

[gamegeek2]

Like decreasing missile range, missile atack and missile accuracy for sagitary and with same cost of 1440 mnai, they are useles now, i am now forced to use mercenaries and for imperial era precisely siryans or cretans.I agree with lazy that this need more testing...

Vega, missile range has been far more standardized, and higher skill does not mean higher range anymore, it means higher accuracy. Do note that I am increasing the ammunition of the Sagitarii auxilia to 40 and giving them a small shield stat as well (their description says they used a small shield, and regardless without one they are at a severe disadvantage compared to Cretans, Syrians, and especially Bosporans, though they should be inferior to all of these except Syrians).

[-Stormrage-]

WHAT THE ***************** . IMPERIALS got 10 ARMOUR!!! you say they are weak and want to give them SHEILD. 10 armour you know whats that ??!?!?!?! Thats like trying to kill heavy infantry. oh and theyve got the excellent morale to go with that, so its completley impossible to rout them and IMPOSSIBLE TO KILL THEM. Change their name they are now roman royal infantry.

Do you know what the missile system of EB is ? Its like tanks firing at each other with twigs.

they are at a severe disadvantage compared to Cretans, Syrians, and especially Bosporans, though they should be inferior to all of these except Syrians).

This doesnt exist none of these are significantly inferior to the other. Its like saying hey this tank is inferior to this tank but both are firing arrows and both have enough armour to take no damage.

[Vega]

WHAT THE ***************** . IMPERIALS got 10 ARMOUR!!! you say they are weak and want to give them SHEILD. 10 armour you know whats that ??!?!?!?! Thats like trying to kill heavy infantry. oh and theyve got the excellent morale to go with that, so its completley impossible to rout them and IMPOSSIBLE TO KILL THEM. Change their name they are now roman royal infantry.

Do you know what the missile system of EB is ? Its like tanks firing at each other with twigs.

This doesnt exist none of these are significantly inferior to the other. Its like saying hey this tank is inferior to this tank but both are firing arrows and both have enough armour to take no damage.

lol storm relax the are nothing special komatai toxotai owned them when i played with gg2, you should not have problem with imperials if you choos cretans syrians or bosporans :D

[-Stormrage-]

I just played a game with vega, and geuss what i found out that thracian light cav dont die to arrows. Im starting to wonder what DOES die to arrows? light cav no light infantry, there's no such thing in EB .

I suggest to everyone who wants to see a baalnced EDU to go and play RS then come and apply the stuff learned to EB.

Light units in RS accually are light and not 7 armour 3 sheild tanks.(im sorry for always comapring EB to RS, but im doing so ,to better the EB EDU .
I have yet to see a light cav in EB to die to arrows.

I know some of you will say " yah but archers are only meant to support not to win a battle " well, Archers right now arent even supporting.

[Vega]

All roman cavarly is not cheaper than 2500 mnai exept hispanic auxilia which cost 2300 i think, thracians cost 2700 mnai and there most be reason why they cost 2700 and i have courage to tell that they are supposed to be some kind of heavy mlee cav bcz they suck in charge, they have big shields and swords which supposed them to be less vulnerable to missiles and better in mlee than for example galic auxila, and you used sabean archers, i dont think that they are soo good to vanish my cav for a second anyway you killed 20 of 60 tracians then you admited defeat bcz my cohorts owned sabean infratry :DDD And to not spam other thread again, gallic auxilia have javelin atack 6 ? Is that mistake or something else?

[gamegeek2]

I just played a game with vega, and geuss what i found out that thracian light cav dont die to arrows. Im starting to wonder what DOES die to arrows? light cav no light infantry, there's no such thing in EB .

I suggest to everyone who wants to see a baalnced EDU to go and play RS then come and apply the stuff learned to EB.

Light units in RS accually are light and not 7 armour 3 sheild tanks.(im sorry for always comapring EB to RS, but im doing so ,to better the EB EDU .
I have yet to see a light cav in EB to die to arrows.

I know some of you will say " yah but archers are only meant to support not to win a battle " well, Archers right now arent even supporting.

By Thracian light cav do you mean a unit that has not been finished yet for 3.0? OMG REALLY? But dont expect them to be TOO much lighter for 3.0.

If you are talking about Roman auxiliary cavalry, remember those wear chain or scale armor, and some have big shields. Dont expect them to roll over and die.

And actually, the main reason for the shield strength increases was because light multipurpose cavalry simply got slaughtered by archers. They still get badly damaged by them but its no longer as bad. Remember storm we dont want people bring 4 archers/slingers in every single Roman or Hellenic army because that is ahistorical anyways. We want to see as many javelin skirmishers and light cavalry as archers.

/OT, infact you might want to move these posts to another thread later (at Ludens)