Netherworld III: Final Judgment [Concluded]

[Chaotix]

When Hades showed up in this game the odds for him were... 1:15 or something like that? Khaan writes the coolest power role fight scenes in the gameroom. I would have attacked Chaotix and the cultists head on to get some cool fight scenes going by now just like I did in Netherworld 1. Especially since the last mafioso is obviously Hades. Seriously Hades.

Woad, you do realize that Hades has already killed at least three or four power roles already, right? That line of reasoning wouldn't even help your case if I were to take it as valid.

EDIT: TLD, I think due to the lack of participating players, you may survive this round yet again. In which case I will see about proving you innocent or guilty of being Hades once and for all.

[Secura]

Again, I gave this game my best shot, I was wrong a few times but a few players I usually respect for their analytical abilities (Secura, Earthling, etc.) are very wrong about me so I guess it's fair enough.

Sweetie, wait until the end of the game and I will be able to explain everything. :P

[seireikhaan]

By my count, we've a tie. Since I'm likely to go night-night soon, I'm going to extend the round 12 hours. Have at it.


TheLastDays 4 (woad&fangs, Riedquat, Beskar, Chaotix)
woad&fangs 4 (TheLastDays, Classical Hero, johnhughthom, Beskar)
MRD 1 (Chaotix)
Chaotix 1 (woad&fangs)

[Choxorn]

Or you could just lynch both of them...

[woad&fangs]

Or we could not count Beskar twice.....
TLD should be lynched since Beskar unvoted me and then voted him unless I'm missing something.

edit: Looks like I am also counted twice. I don't remember voting chaotix this round. I voted Beskar then immediately switched to TLD....

[Earthling]

woad&fangs' observation is correct as far as I can see, the vote tally does not match the votes placed by players.

However, I did notice Beskar did have his vote counted twice before, on the first day, so in Beskar's case this could be legitimate, he did actually place both of those votes even though one appeared to be unvoted, just as on Day One. Either this is resolved anyway or the tie goes on but then it couldn't be coincidence with Beskar and we'd know something is wrong.

Also:

If your character name is Anjou Mainyu you really need to PM me.

Yeah. Right. Can't even spell the name.

The only person to spell "Angra" as "Anjou" is Beskar, whether by typo or deliberately contradicting writeups, and he's given no satisfactory reason for thinking said player character is in the game. Certainly MRD has nothing to go on but depending on what we see here Beskar could do with a final answer or two.

[Beskar]

However, I did notice Beskar did have his vote counted twice before, on the first day, so in Beskar's case this could be legitimate, he did actually place both of those votes even though one appeared to be unvoted, just as on Day One. Either this is resolved anyway or the tie goes on but then it couldn't be coincidence with Beskar and we'd know something is wrong..

Nothing to do with me. Host mistake. Unless I have been given a power I have not been made aware of.

As for the other thing, all I have to say is "LOL". I been typing it wrong all game intentionally, and it looks like it is paying off *flex*

[Death is yonder]

Hmm well, looks like the pro-town people (and Earthling included [quite noteworthy!]) think that Chaotix has a decent alibi. I'll trust them then, and if Chaotix supposedly outed GH with Yaro, then so be it.

As for MRD though, I must admit that from there springs some doubts about Chaotix, because from a mechanics perspective, making pro-town roles recruitable would definitely screw around with pro-town networks big time, which 'khaan wants. That's really the only thing about the whole situation that bothers me, because the only other way he could "screw around with networks" is to:

a) Have a pro-town role who is actually a scum in disguise

Or something, which wouldn't be that effective because it would mean the scum person while being able to join the network, would thus have his abilities largely restricted to be of little benefit to his own faction, and lets say a decision is made to roleblock someone who is actually his fellow scum, tough scenario. Which means, it would actually be easier to find scum in that sense, (IE: roleblock --> kills drop or refuse role block --> lynch).

[Which is actually pretty darn unlikely, because its quite possible that if the power roles were open in info sharing which they appear to be (eg: Yaro knows Secura and vice versa) then what we would have been seeing is a systemic killing off of the power roles once their names were known which isn't just screwing the network, but crippling the town as well)]

I'm sort of fine with the decision to trust Chaotix because I don't have the behind the scenes knowledge, but I do have a problem stemming from the claim that pro-town role = unrecruitable, because it raises the question that I was thinking about above.

Well this assumes MRD is even telling the truth though rather than fooling around with us.

[Chaotix]

Hmm well, looks like the pro-town people (and Earthling included [quite noteworthy!]) think that Chaotix has a decent alibi. I'll trust them then, and if Chaotix supposedly outed GH with Yaro, then so be it.

As for MRD though, I must admit that from there springs some doubts about Chaotix, because from a mechanics perspective, making pro-town roles recruitable would definitely screw around with pro-town networks big time, which 'khaan wants. That's really the only thing about the whole situation that bothers me, because the only other way he could "screw around with networks" is to:

a) Have a pro-town role who is actually a scum in disguise

Or something, which wouldn't be that effective because it would mean the scum person while being able to join the network, would thus have his abilities largely restricted to be of little benefit to his own faction, and lets say a decision is made to roleblock someone who is actually his fellow scum, tough scenario. Which means, it would actually be easier to find scum in that sense, (IE: roleblock --> kills drop or refuse role block --> lynch).

[Which is actually pretty darn unlikely, because its quite possible that if the power roles were open in info sharing which they appear to be (eg: Yaro knows Secura and vice versa) then what we would have been seeing is a systemic killing off of the power roles once their names were known which isn't just screwing the network, but crippling the town as well)]

I'm sort of fine with the decision to trust Chaotix because I don't have the behind the scenes knowledge, but I do have a problem stemming from the claim that pro-town role = unrecruitable, because it raises the question that I was thinking about above.

Well this assumes MRD is even telling the truth though rather than fooling around with us.

Personally, I thought this was odd when I heard it from MRD myself as well.

I don't know whether Andres or GH were recruited or started out that way, but it seems likely that at least one of them were.

I think susceptibility to conversion may rely on specific roles and not on the general designation of "townie", "pro-town", "mafia", and such. It could be the fact that my role is a god (Janus, god of time) that makes me unrecruitable. GH (Giant Axe Guy) was human, and I don't know what Andres was, but there could be some sort of logic in that line of thinking.

But again, yeah. MRD might just be screwing around and fixing to get me lynched since I looked important two rounds ago.

[Earthling]

Everything you've said about the cults, ability to recruit, mess around with pro-town networks, etc... generally makes sense.

I think there's a simpler guess about the nature of the cults at least as far as recruiting, sum all those ideas of yours up if I had to take a shot at it. How many they are and if they are fully anti-town, don't know, that's true.

But that would be:

Any cult god/goddess is only able to recruit mortals. This would rule out the mafia by default so no shenanigans there, mafia and cult are separate, and some or most neutrals and pro-town. Also makes narrative and intuitive sense, they can't recruit gods who they lack power over in the same way they could recruit humans.

edit- I believe Renata claimed to have had a failed recruitment against her, for the record, think that was mentioned and counter-mentioned way back during her lynch. Any already admitted cultist here want to explain if their cult was involved in that, do you think she was neutral or mafia?

edit 2 - and for easing anyone's checking, that happens to have been in post #1000 from Renata and maybe anyone else still alive who commented on cults back then said something.

[TheLastDays]

Sweetie, wait until the end of the game and I will be able to explain everything. :P

I take this as a confession that your motives for getting me lynched were not pro town so, fair enough, I suppose, since it probably means you don't really think I was scum, because of some flimsy arguments.

Anyway, since the tally seems to be off (my vcount shows the same, I should have most votes) it's meaningless anyway. Congratulations town. I've been set up as lynch bait and you gave them just what they wanted, I'm very impressed, not.

[Askthepizzaguy]

The vote be tied, sire!

Anyway, the best defense is a good offense. Do you actually have a better or more conclusive suspect? I'm sure you've been following more closely than I have. So who needs to die?

[TheLastDays]

Well, at the moment, if the vote is really tied by some weird game mechanics I am unaware of, then my best suspect is woad&fangs

I am very satisfied with Riedquats answer to my vote and question earlier this day. I think our cult leader could very well be JHT.

classical is a good suspect for Hades. I don't think Hades = cult, I think Hades is the killer, because the similarities between our remaining killer and Hades (from Neherworld I) are the only evidence of Hades even being in this game.

[Captain Blackadder]

Currently I believe that this whole cult business is a distraction as far as I can tell they have never killed. Whilst in most cases I dislike neutrals especially in small games in large games like this I think that they can be pro town. Of the two suspects I think TLD is the more scummy of the two I think he is Hades and his whole speel in this game comes from him knowing everything their is to know about hades since he is Hades.

Vote: TLD

[TheLastDays]

Currently I believe that this whole cult business is a distraction as far as I can tell they have never killed. Whilst in most cases I dislike neutrals especially in small games in large games like this I think that they can be pro town. Of the two suspects I think TLD is the more scummy of the two I think he is Hades and his whole speel in this game comes from him knowing everything their is to know about hades since he is Hades.

Vote: TLD

You can all be ashamed later when I flip vanilla townie and you realise that every information that I might have was availabe to everyone

[Choxorn]

Guys, really, vote woad&fangs, he's way more scummy.

Use your agressive feelings, townies. Look in your heart. You know it to be true- you know he is scum! SWAT THE SCUM WITH SWORDS. MWAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Guys, really, vote woad&fangs, he's way more scummy.

Use your agressive feelings, townies. Look in your heart. You know it to be true- you know he is scum! SWAT THE SCUM WITH SWORDS. MWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Hey! Nobody quotes the Palpatine but me. And if you're going to do it, do it right.

And now you're stealing my MWAHAHAHA? Kay? Seriously? There's already a pizza guy here, and I'm not splitting the tips with you.

[TheLastDays]

Well since this wasn't a tiebreaker like I thought at first it seems there are now 5 votes on me and 3 votes on w&f. I agree with Choxorn here, so go vote w&f

Also, Captain Blackadder, your post with the vote on me doesn't make you look to good either.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Vote:woad&fangs

[Beskar]

Chaotix, you said something which tingled my alarm. Why would another god be helping Anjou Mainyu?

Were the other "pro-town" roles gods as I am remember them being human I think, or some one mentioned them being humans in service of the almighty lord who is being opposed by gods of both heaven and hell.

[TheLastDays]

Just read the opening post. These things are pretty clear there.

The Mafia here are sent from the gods of both the heavens and the Netherworld (Hades being the current leader of the Netherworld, since Netherworld I).
The forces of Angra Mainyu may consist of whatever. The OP clearly states that there are gods and demons who betrayed the Netherworld and the heavens and joined Mainyu.

EDIT: Also, you forgot to unvote and vote for woad&fangs

[TheLastDays]

Sweetie, wait until the end of the game and I will be able to explain everything. :P

Please take notice of this post. If there's anyone left here who is town, you can clearly see that she's taunting me, because she was not mistaken about me, because she never believed that I was scum. Her reasons for wanting me lynched were clearly not pro-town.

[Riedquat]

By my count, we've a tie. Since I'm likely to go night-night soon, I'm going to extend the round 12 hours. Have at it.


TheLastDays 4 (woad&fangs, Riedquat, Beskar, Chaotix)
woad&fangs 4 (TheLastDays, Classical Hero, johnhughthom, Beskar)
MRD 1 (Chaotix)
Chaotix 1 (woad&fangs)

As others noted it seems you forgot to discount the unvotes, the correct tally at that time would have been something like this:

TheLastDays 4 (Beskar, Chaotix, Riedquat, w&f)
Woad&fangs 3 (jht, classical_hero,TLD)

while now its....

TheLastDays 5 (Beskar, Chaotix, Riedquat, w&f, Captain Blackadder)
Woad&fangs 4 (jht, classical_hero,TLD, warman)

Feel free to recheck accuracy, not feeling to sharp this morning...

[Beskar]

The OP clearly states that there are gods and demons who betrayed the Netherworld and the heavens and joined Mainyu.

That's good then, I was really worried for a moment.

[Chaotix]

Yeah, as far as we know Athena was pro-town too.

My role PM said something to the effect of Janus being pissed that the gods from the heavens and netherworld are interfering with the natural flow of time and want them to stop.

[TheLastDays]

As others noted it seems you forgot to discount the unvotes, the correct tally at that time would have been something like this:

TheLastDays 4 (Beskar, Chaotix, Riedquat, w&f)
Woad&fangs 3 (jht, classical_hero,TLD)

while now its....

TheLastDays 5 (Beskar, Chaotix, Riedquat, w&f, Captain Blackadder)
Woad&fangs 4 (jht, classical_hero,TLD, warman)

Feel free to recheck accuracy, not feeling to sharp this morning...

No, seems right to me. Not good for the town, imo, but it seems correct.

[Major Robert Dump]

Vote: Woad&fangs

Duel pls

[Secura]

Her reasons for wanting me lynched were clearly not pro-town.

I sincerely hope that you're not insinuating that I wasn't town-aligned, because you'd be way off the mark if that was the case. It seems that you're taking this too personally when you should be focusing on the game... don't get distracted.

As I said, my good reason will be made clear after the game, since I'm incapable of talking to you privately at this moment in time. :3

[Choxorn]

Hey! Nobody quotes the Palpatine but me. And if you're going to do it, do it right.

And now you're stealing my MWAHAHAHA? Kay? Seriously? There's already a pizza guy here, and I'm not splitting the tips with you.

I apologize, and yield to your superior Palapatineness.

[seireikhaan]

Okay, first off, to myself:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

It is now tied(yes, actually, this time). Tiebreak procedure in effect. First player to have more votes than the other will be lynched. You are still free to vote for anyone.


TheLastDays 5 (Beskar, Chaotix, Riedquat, woad&fangs, Captain Blackadder)
Woad&fangs 5 (Major Robert Dump, johnhughthom, classical hero,TLD, warman)

Not Voting: dcmort, glyphz