Netherworld III: Final Judgment [Concluded]

[Beskar]

I don't think the cult has been trying to lynch you over the last few rounds. Only in that round where I possibly did because I did suspect you then but I changed my vote since it seemed the most sensible option.

However, a lot of the arguments underpinning my vote change well.. have collapsed.

If you end up getting lynched off and you are not the mafia, you have my reassurance that these arguments and me voting for you is purely based on the fact I am suspecting you of being the killer. There is no other "motives" involved in that decision. If I was working for the cult and I thought you was a roleblocker, I would have told them to leave you in the game because a roleblocker would have been very effective against the night killer or sounds like it would be.

and when I typed that, I just realised something...

You said he can kill through protection right? What is to say he cannot kill through a roleblock?

[Chaotix]

That would be so powerful as to be game breaking, but however unlikely it is possible. That would render my role all but useless then- only good for catching lesser scums or cultists I guess? I think it's unlikely.

What I do think is likely, though, is if I tried to roleblock him and he tried to kill me at the same time, the kill would win out (assuming I was unprotected). So you can assume that when I find the right suspect, if Hades knows about... I will be attacked at the very least.

[Earthling]

What is to say he cannot kill through a roleblock?

I already said that was easily possible, you just must not have read it.

edit- Chaotix, the thing is it was probably not along. The possible explanation is Hades (and it's true, we have no reason to know for sure the role is Hades but we're killing him that) gained more power upon being the last mafia left

If you are not personally part of the cult you have no reason to vote Chaotix here. There's no real evidence against him.

In fact, if Hades isn't part of the cult at all, he has to kill another cultist tonight no matter what given their numbers, or else he automatically loses. Looking at the last kills in light of that you should reach the right conclusion. It should still be even more obvious soon whether he's been in the cult the whole time and we don't need to help him along. An even worse reason to attempt a lynch of Chaotix now, but someone like MRD or Warman could work.

[Beskar]

If you are not personally part of the cult you have no reason to vote Chaotix here. There's no real evidence against him.

That's not true, there is evidence against him, but it is mostly all suspect, and that is how a mafia game works. The problem is, there is more case against Chaotix than anyone else, you could just say "Vote off Warman, he isn't a good player" but then that is not really a real reason for him to be scum, it is a case of "Chaotix is the better player".

And Chaotix is a very good player, he would be very smart if he is scum. He would know what was against him, or a good idea and he knows how to play it into his advantage. My argument against him is more based on what a player at his skill level would do in his situation, he would be very crafty and my argument against him is based on his ruthlessness and intelligence, sort of a "If I was in Chaotix's position, what would I do?".

There would be no way to ever find out Chaotix is truely pro-town and same for him being mafia either, he is not a bad player and there is nothing in the game which would prove him for what he is or what he isn't.

Fact is, there is a great bunch of circumstances which are pointing it at being towards Chaotix. You might struggle to see it, I cannot really help you understand my logic more than I already said, I am not as eloquent as some one like AskthePizzaGuy.

If I am wrong, I am wrong. I cannot really change that, but i am completely oblivious to who else it could realistically be. At last hours before the write-up, I was "The Last Days" as my number 1, and "Classical_Hero" as my number 2, since having two pro-town's at this point might be a bit fishy. What made it swap to Chaotix is how Classical was adamant he was a power-role, the reviver and couldn't be recruited because he is a 'god'. Being honest, I don't know if he is or not, but assume that he was telling the truth at that moment of time, then he ends up recruited by the cult, this changes the situation.

Only people so far who couldn't be recruited were two confirmed scums. Chaotix is a third one which couldn't, but the argument was is was a god. Now Classical_Hero, another God got recruited by the cult...

I think we can easily do it this way, the cult would obviously be reading this, so if I am incorrect, I am sure they will pull-rank on Classical_Hero and kill him off as well. Then with both of them missing, we end up playing the game of "Lets randomly lynch people till the scum is dead".

[Earthling]

The problem is, there is more case against Chaotix than anyone else

There are people still alive who defended and placed votes to support known scum God Emperor and very likely scum Renata. That's better evidence.

"If I was in Chaotix's position, what would I do?".

If he was scum, he certainly wouldn't kill off suspicious townies and guarantee he automatically gets lynched by the cult. How can you possibly think Hades is a complete outsider who cannot infiltrate the cult? If Hades was not already a member of the cult, he would be killing cultists which would be his only way to avoid an automatic loss.

Only people so far who couldn't be recruited were two confirmed scums.

The problem is this isn't true. One of them at least was clearly a neutral who only opposed this cult in an independent way.

Then with both of them missing, we end up playing the game of "Lets randomly lynch people till the scum is dead".

Yes, and it's insane to purposefully kill off townies first so you can then start that game. woad&fangs lynch was bad enough as he did kinda imply he was cult himself but townies need to place useful votes.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Aren't you glad you didn't lynch TLD now?

I'm just happy I wasn't wasting my breath.

Get Hades, or else I'll be really upset with yall.

[Earthling]

Every indication is that lynching woad&fangs was worse, and several other past lynches it would have been better to have another townie not die in place of TLD.

The cult is claiming you were a cultist, any thoughts on that?

If Chaotix is lynched today any townies left might as well give up and lynch randomly, they won't have the votes to prevent the cult's failed voting strategy against Hades nor any further evidence to go on.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Every indication is that lynching woad&fangs was worse, and several other past lynches it would have been better to have another townie not die in place of TLD.

He's dead now. So that just saved you from lynching him, and it spared everyone else who was more valuable to the town.

You lost this point. This point is MINE.

The cult is claiming you were a cultist, any thoughts on that?

Sure, I have thoughts on that. Except I'm dead.

My loyalty has always been to the town. Revive me and I'll say more. Otherwise, leave me dead. I've said everything I know of which will assist the town. All I had info on was TLD, he's dead now. Therefore I have no further info, and I've saved you from one terrible lynch.

I've done my duty to the town. Now you guys must lynch Hades.

Further debate about myself and TLD is pointless, focus on Hades.

[Choxorn]

Only people so far who couldn't be recruited were two confirmed scums. Chaotix is a third one which couldn't, but the argument was is was a god. Now Classical_Hero, another God got recruited by the cult...

Confirmed by what?