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    Default Re: Is libertarianism incompatible with Democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    "Above the physical" might be better, the assumption that the world has a concrete "phyiscal" reality is metaphysical.

    "Punish as you would like to be punished" - what if I would not punish someone for child rape? Does that mean I should not be punished, is that Just?

    I blame C.S. Lewis for the "Golden Rule", he is th earliest proponent I can trace, no doubt he thought it was a way to make Christianity palatable to the masses (it was in his book "Mere Christianity") - crucially, Lewis was a firm believer in "Natural Law" which is basically the same thing as "natural" Justice.

    None the less, as it has been populasied by Karen Armstrong it is a completely relativistic and therefore worthless statement.

    The actual "Golden Rule" is:

    Love the Lord your God with all your Hear and all your Mind and all your Soul, and Love your Neighbour as Youself.

    That is not a relativistic statement, it is unequivical and a much better Creed to live your life by. If You don't like the "beardy" God by all means substitue Einstien's/Spinoza's and the import is preserved.
    Earlist form of the Golden Rule by Lewis? I think you need to read a few more things outside of Britain and Christianity... actually read abit more in Britain and Christianity and you'd defeat your own declaration:

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    Quote Originally Posted by New Testament
    "Matthew 7:12

    12Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

    Luke 6:31

    31And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
    "
    Quote Originally Posted by Old Testament
    "Do to no one what you yourself dislike."
    —Tobit 4:15

    "Recognize that your neighbor feels as you do, and keep in mind your own dislikes."
    —Sirach 31:15
    Quote Originally Posted by Confucius (551–479 B.C.)
    "Zi Gong asked, saying, "Is there one word that may serve as a rule of practice for all one's life?" The Master said, "Is not RECIPROCITY such a word?" – Confucius [21][22]
    "Never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself." – Confucius [23]
    Quote Originally Posted by Other Ancient Chinese
    "If people regarded other people's families in the same way that they regard their own, who then would incite their own family to attack that of another? For one would do for others as one would do for oneself." – Mozi
    "The sage has no interest of his own, but takes the interests of the people as his own. He is kind to the kind; he is also kind to the unkind: for Virtue is kind. He is faithful to the faithful; he is also faithful to the unfaithful: for Virtue is faithful." –Laozi[24]
    "Regard your neighbor's gain as your own gain, and your neighbor's loss as your own loss." –Laozi[25]
    You can read the rest of the quotes in the wiki on Golden Rule including ones for Ancient Egypt, Hinduism, Plato(nism)

    So Ancient Egypt, Greece, India and China... I think at least one of those might be older then say C.S. Lewis and even older then his Lion.
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