Capo di Tutti Capi IV [Concluded]

[TinCow]

I am not going to be a bystander because I'm too much of a Pizzaguy to do that. But, I am also intrigued by the challenge of neutrality. Can it even work?

On a metaphysical level, yes. On a 'my role PM says I win this way' level, no. Personally, I always aim to have fun and win.

Besides, I think a true neutral ATPG wouldn't go around bragging about his uber neutrality anyway. You're just trying to avoid night kills. Not that that is a bad thing, it's certainly a good thing. It's just that I bet you're already locked in.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Besides, I think a true neutral ATPG wouldn't go around bragging about his uber neutrality anyway

You don't know Askthepizzaguy very well, do you?

I could bring out the record book and investigate each game I was neutral one by one if you'd like...

In summary: I was neutral, told everyone I was neutral, and repeated it ad infinitum.

[Chaotix]

Oh, come on, ATPG. Neutral is sooooo six months ago.

These days everybody's going for pseudo-anti-cults and competitive cutthroat team members and stuff like that.

You're behind with the times as usual.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh, come on, ATPG. Neutral is sooooo six months ago.

Good, then I'll have the monopoly on awesome, as usual.

[TinCow]

Yarr! Thar be contradictions ahoy!

I am not going to be a bystander because I'm too much of a Pizzaguy to do that. But, I am also intrigued by the challenge of neutrality. Can it even work?

I don't know. I suppose I'll find out. But along the way I will have fun and be entertaining and whatnot. We'll see.

You don't know Askthepizzaguy very well, do you?
I could bring out the record book and investigate each game I was neutral one by one if you'd like...

In summary: I was neutral, told everyone I was neutral, and repeated it ad infinitum.

So... you've been neutral so many times that you've got a consistent pattern of neutral behavior... but now you're challenged by the intrigue of neutrality and wonder if it can work?

Don't worry, I'm not going to go all me on you. At least not yet. But I still don't think you're neutral. I've seen you do this many times; claiming neutrality to the heavens while pursuing a very specific goal the entire time. If you want a real challenge in Capo, pick a side on Day 1 and don't deviate from that course regardless of the consequences. In this game, it's taking a stand that's hard.

[Diamondeye]

I won't vote for you, or against you. I have no strong feelings either way.

Currently: Undecided.

I liked GH's platform of total ambiguity and no promises of helping anyone. That is the only thing which makes my neutral heart beat and my neutral other thing get excited.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yarr! Thar be contradictions ahoy!

Thar be nitpickers ahoy.

So... you've been neutral so many times that you've got a consistent pattern of neutral behavior... but now you're challenged by the intrigue of neutrality and wonder if it can work?

Thing is, I've been neutral in games where the game was much smaller, or the neutrals could get recruited, or the neutral was turned into the SK against his will, etc....

I am consistent, but you're looking for reasons to pick at me.

Don't worry, I'm not going to go all me on you.

*sighs disappointedly, dangly bits go back into hiding*

So close to having a good time, and you have to abstain?

At least not yet. But I still don't think you're neutral.

As in, my role or my ambitions?

I've seen you do this many times; claiming neutrality to the heavens while pursuing a very specific goal the entire time. If you want a real challenge in Capo, pick a side on Day 1 and don't deviate from that course regardless of the consequences. In this game, it's taking a stand that's hard.

Oh you.

Suppose for the moment I choose neutrality as my goal. Suppose that is my stand.

That's much, much harder to follow through on with the temptations around me. Take it from a RL teetotaler, peer pressure is a powerful thing, and so is group mentality and being an outsider is harder than following the crowd. I dislike having my choices be A or B and those choices essentially forced on me by circumstances and peer pressure and luck of the draw. Choice C is much more difficult and it is my choice, no one is pressuring me into it, and it presents the single greatest challenge, to me.

Being townie is easy. I could just go surgeon, easy. Easy easy.

Being mafia is easy. I could go mafia any time I wanted to. Easy easy.

Being neutral is hard. It's a political battle, a personal struggle, and it's a very fine line.... and I'm already endangering it by helping people instead of going apathetic neutral like TB. That would be easier but boring.

Anyway. This debate is too meta. I'd rather go back IC for my radio show coming up.

[gibsonsg91921]

In Capo III I remember thinking ATPG's braggadocio was out of the ordinary, having not played Mafia for a while. I can vouch for the typicality of Mr. Guy's performance.

[TinCow]

Thar be nitpickers ahoy.

You were expecting a different TinCow?

Being townie is easy. I could just go surgeon, easy. Easy easy.

Being mafia is easy. I could go mafia any time I wanted to. Easy easy.

Being neutral is hard. It's a political battle, a personal struggle, and it's a very fine line.... and I'm already endangering it by helping people instead of going apathetic neutral like TB. That would be easier but boring.

I disagree. Going surgeon is very hard. How many townies have successfully accomplished that? One or two ever? Going mafia is also very hard. scottishranger managed it in Capo 2, but his 'Holy Grail' achievement is certainly not the norm. Neutral is the norm in Capo. People tend to keep their options open until they think one side has an advantage, their choices are removed, or they get killed/lynched. If you want true difficulty, take scottishranger's path and try to become an independent Don. You can do neutrality anywhere, but it's only in Capo that you can pick your own fate like that. That's what makes this game so superb. It's Choose Your Own Adventure Mafia.

[Craterus]

Yeah, it's not like it was given to him on a plate or anything...

[classical_hero]

So all my gut is telling me is, maybe.

[gibsonsg91921]

Yeah, it's not like it was given to him on a plate or anything...

While scotty was probably the more qualified, it was basically a coin flip between me and him who would be Capo. But history will only remember Mr. Ranger... It's okay because my hand was held throughout that game. Scotty was a true warrior.

[GeneralHankerchief]

You'll always be Capo in my heart, Gibbo.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You were expecting a different TinCow?

I disagree. Going surgeon is very hard. How many townies have successfully accomplished that? One or two ever?

Easy, no one bothers to try is the only reason it hasn't happened more.

People prefer vigilantism. Also, we were opposed to the idea of protect/vig groups in Capo III after The Stranger's failed attempt. We stopped trying for most of the game.

But it works. Not only does it work but I successfully helped pop some doctors out in Capo III in the endgame where it's harder to do it because there are less people involved and willing. And we promoted a surgeon. These were afterthoughts, not even our main objectives, TC. Afterthoughts.

Now, 117 people, 15-20 rounds of play, and masses of folks willing to do either one? Please. I'll have 3 surgeons that I had a hand in making by the middlegame.

Going mafia is also very hard.

Tincow, you're officially Tinbull now. Any wiseguy can do it with minimal time and effort. In Capo III, the reason it didn't happen more was because the morale of the town was always so high, it was difficult to convince people to go mafia.

Now, with no incorruptibles besides power roles, I laugh at the notion that town even has a chance unless it does the part where I said the thing with the surgeons and stuff. You know, with the planning ahead.


Anywho. I see we're not going to agree. That's fine, we rarely do, and you're usually right. But I tell you this Tincow, between the two of us, one is usually correct, and I think I've got your number this time.

[Chaotix]

So now we all know that ATPG is going rogue detective.

He still wants to be the CIA Man and is slightly disappointed that he won't get a chance to go the other route offered as opposed to being townie hero.

So R-D is the next best thing.

Very good, ATPG, thank you for tellygraphing your motives to us without deliberately saying anything.

You better shoot me a PM so we can discuss world domination.

[Craterus]

@Gibson: My point was that the events leading up to it were well beyond his control. But for an oversight on my part, the original C____ family would've won the game. And I believe you were both recruits of that family either way.

[gibsonsg91921]

we had them strung along the whole time. i still have PMs saying we are joining them so we don't die and then killing them off. in the end, the town killed the Don for us, IIRC. the surviving members joined us. :nod:

[Askthepizzaguy]

So now we all know that ATPG is going rogue detective.

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Very good, ATPG, thank you for tellygraphing your motives to us without deliberately saying anything.

You better shoot me a PM so we can discuss world domination.

I swear, I could play in 100 games and you folks who think you know me will continue to believe it and continue to be wrong.

You can't, read, me. This is going to become a mafia RULE soon.

[gibsonsg91921]

GH is the real hero. He is like the Godfather of this whole mafia business, if you will.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hey gibs?

Can you do me a favor?

Quick thing, bit of a mental itch I have, I need you to scratch.

You know where in your signature line you're inviting people to the Capo game? [Nicely done, btw, and thank you]

I think signups for that Capo ended a while back.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Specifically, two years ago.

[Populus Romanus]

LOL!

[gibsonsg91921]

Can do buddy. You can tell I haven't been around for a while. And the last mafia game I played I forgot I joined. I'm lucky I wasn't locked in Azkaban for that unforgivable crime. It's like shaving points in pro sports.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Much better. Scottishranger will be pleased.

[scottishranger]

While scotty was probably the more qualified, it was basically a coin flip between me and him who would be Capo. But history will only remember Mr. Ranger... It's okay because my hand was held throughout that game. Scotty was a true warrior.

awww i luv you too Gibson!

Yeah, it's not like it was given to him on a plate or anything...

Ill admit I got lucky at times. But I really dont even remember all the things I did in that game. It was pretty crazy

[Renata]

Hah! Thanks, actually; I've never read Capo II.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I am wearing my big floppy clown shoes for this game.

[Monk]

I am wearing my big floppy clown shoes for this game.

No doubt it's helped garner all that attention..

[White_eyes:D]

I swear, I could play in 100 games and you folks who think you know me will continue to believe it and continue to be wrong.

You can't, read, me. This is going to become a mafia RULE soon.

I get tired of mafia players who think they can never be predicted. Everyone has two options, do the smart, logical thing or do the unpredictable stupid thing. Sometimes the stupid thing is better, like being a townie but vig-killing from night-one, thinking its pro-town. Smart thing would be to get into a protect group and avoid vig groups like the plague or even claim neutrality, like your doing.

Everyone really needs mostly luck and some skill but all iron ones to claim any kind of accomplishment in Capo. If someone wants to do something original, be the last man standing as a SK. I don't think anyone has done that.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I get tired of mafia players who think they can never be predicted.

Then tell me what my plans are, great swami.

[White_eyes:D]

Then tell me what my plans are, great swami.

I said predicting not mind-reading.

It's obvious your going to wait until you see what side is winning/losing and see how you can profit most from it.

Pizzaguys plan:
1.Claim neutrality
2.?????
3.Profit