Netherworld III: Final Judgment [Concluded]

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Mafia:

Yuanshi Tianzun- Renata
Nemesis- TheFluffyOne
Hades- Chaotix
Ereshkigal- White eyes

Fluffy was actually mafia?! The irony...

ANd that explains the 'guilty' reading on me. The rest of the mafia (Renata, Chaotix and White_eyes) were trying to frame me...
Thank you town for not taking the bait, and turning the tables on 'em (though you almost took it ...thrice).

Congratulations Beskar!
You did well avoiding general suspicion!

Can't wait for the write-up, if there's one in the works.

Til then, thank you 'khaan for hosting

[Earthling]

I am really glad we saved you from getting lynched too. Except in the late game we didn't manage that of course.

Romanic scanned fluffy as active at night so always a possibility along with Renata and white_eyes, but I am surprised GE was nobody after his own posts and claims.

And that should clear up any ambiguity for pizza on why he got lynched. Wonder if he was a "cultist" after all still.

mafia, pizza who just happened to be voting in favor of the same mafia voting block, mafia, mafia,

Town pretty much just couldn't do anything otherwise on reveal-less lynches and we did get all the right calls in.

[Beskar]

Here is my role pm, I'll list what I thought after I read it.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

You are Ishtar, goddess of war and love. You have been in Babylon for many years, having been shunned by the gods for the tendency of “misfortune” to befall your many lovers. Your sister, Ereshkigal, made it abundantly clear in your journey to the Netherworld you were not welcome there either. So, you have made a living preying on men, enjoying the chase and thrill, ultimately disposing of the poor souls when finished. Now, the arrival of Angra Mainyu presents a new opportunity. His proclaimed goal of a united world is, as you are quite aware, ridiculous. But, he does represent the ultimate chase. If you could perhaps single him out, make him alone, strip him of his followers and support, you could have victory. In the meantime, you shall continue your pursuit of the chase.

Each night, you may target one player to “visit”, after which they will most likely become your secret follower. Another option, each night, is to sacrifice one of your followers, to drain their strength and power to give you the strength to fight off an attack. Ultimately, you have no real attachment to any of these people. Mainyu is the real goal. You may only convert or sacrifice at night, not both. If you sacrifice a convert and are not attacked, the protection it provides will not last past the night, so you you will need to sacrifice another to be protected the next night. It will not protect from lynch.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

When I first read the role, this is what I thought:
I am a neutral-town aligned role.
I have a two stage ability, one flagged them for being able to sacrifice, the second ability is to sacrifice for self-protect.
My goal is to sleep with Angra Mainyu.

This is what I ended up being in reality:
I am a serial killer role.
I have two abilities, one recruits them into a quicktopic and flags them, also acts as an investigator-lite. The second is a self-protect I can use.
I had to be the last one standing.

This lead to some really stupid moves in the beginning on my part since I was mainly just messing around and I was going on Holiday. So this is my logic for the following rounds.

Night One - No orders (Thought we was starting on a day phase)

So I decided, "Alright, who should I sleep with?", being a male who is interested in females, I saw we had two female players. Suggesting Secura would feel like incest, so I naturally went for Renata...

Night Two - Renata - Recruitment Failed (Immune)

Bang! I learnt two things instantly. 1) There are people I cannot recruit, most likely power-roles. 2) This could work as an investigative-lite for power roles. Anyway, I was thinking I was neutral-town aligned and I hit a scum, so what now? I decide to tell both Secura and AskthePizzaGuy. Secura some how didn't get the message via MSN, but Pizza was around so I told him that I think I might have got a scum, telling him that I had a 'Whore' role. Anyway, he was told, then I headed off to Sweden where I basically only ever logged in to send night orders since I couldn't read the thread at all.

Anyway, so Night Three I had to send some orders in, so I was thinking "Since the females are gone, who is left..." so I looked around, "Who would I rather do first out of the male members", luckily with his name beginning with A, I didn't have to disturb my thoughts with too much thinking and picked Andres, the Belgium extraordinaire.

Night Three - Andres - Recruitment Success

So now Andres is my minion in a fancy quicktopic as part of a cult. Something I didn't know about at all whilst being on Holiday. During the day phase Andres was apparently going "Hello? Anyone there?" and obviously I couldn't reply and it ended up being the next night phase I had access to a computer. I basically told Andres that my goal is to sleep with Angra Mainyu, but otherwise feel free to act like a normal townie. Anyway, in the morning Andres was dead anyway.

So who did I recruit for Night Four? You might have guessed, upon finding out I am a cultist overload, I had to do the following move. Recruit Askthepizzaguy before he put 1+1 together and realizes who Ishtar is.

Night Four - Askthepizzaguy - Recruitment Success

Unlucky for me, I ended up losing Askthepizzaguy in the lynch! (oh noes) and Andres mysteriously dies without any explanation what so ever. I begin to rethink tactics slightly, "Who would make the best cultist? Who can fly under a radar, got great cunning, and be a great asset?"

Night Five - johnhughthom - Recruitment Success

John is a survivor! A great trait, he ended up lasting till the end of the game. Hands down to him, he is really good. Anyway, John gets told to simply act normal anyway but list any powers if he has any (due to Andres incident), but what is also weird is that Andres gets revived. Upon his revival I get told by 'khaan "Upon his revival, he has lost all ties to the cult". I thought "This could get awkward, I know, I will simply recruitment again.

Note: Since finding out I was cult leader, I tried to refrain from randomly using my self-protect so I could build up vote numbers, thus to turn the game into the towns favour. Plus, randomly killing your cultists will make any new ones suspicious of you. "Hey, is this the cult where they kill their cultists?" cue inthread: "ZOMG GUIZ ISHTAR IS BESKAR".

Night Six - Andres - Recruitment Failed (Immune)

So now I am in a situation, Andres might just have been recruited into a rival cult! It is possible, but now he is running around with full knowledge of Ishtar and friends. Andres = Public Enemy Number 1. Also I was very suspicious of GH because of Andres protecting him and later revival immune. So now I need some one who might survive, I am losing cultists and I seem to be in a very weak position.. I need some one who had more chance of being WoK'd then killed through normal channels, I needed a Captain!

Night Seven - Captain Blackadder - Recruitment Success

I ended up returning from Sweden around this point, I believe, or slightly earlier or later. Anyway, I noticed Major Robert Dump replaced a wogged person. Major Robert Dump is a great guy and I love him, just need to read his posts and topics just to see how lovable he is. So I decided, I needed a Major as well!

Night Eight - Major Robert Dump - Recruitment Success

Anyway, at around this point, Andres might still have had access to the old quicktopic, and hilariously, I just realised. Andres posted in our quicktopic by accident as Enkidu, stupid mistake by me just realising this now, but I thought he was scum anyway after that failed revived and the argument ended up working later (See: Death of Hades). So we got a new quicktopic sorted out for us from 'khaan which for a while, forgot to pass it onto my fellow cultists, so that was a bit empty in the beginning.

While I have got some numbers which would help sway votes in my favour, I needed some heavy hitters. People with really good analytical skills and with reknown in thinking outside of the box.

Night Nine - Death is Yonder - Recruitment Success

Anyway, after getting into the game, Chaotix started picking up on my scumdar with some of his postings. A trait Chaotix hates and once first-nighted me in a mafia game for, is that I some how keep picking up he is scum. Either way, Chaotix is a good player, and it could be a false-alarm, he would be a brilliant asset. So there was really one choice, a do or die test.

Night Ten - Chaotix - Recruitment Failed (Immune)

Perfect! It seems I was right all along, Renata was mafia, so was Andres and now Chaotix is. Time to get the ball rolling on his demise. With the Major Robert Dump volunteering to speak of behalf of the cult, first making its public appearance after Night Three, we make a move on Chaotix. The vote is going well, until it hits a snag, Earthling some one who was apparently a proven pro-town is vouching for Chaotix, Chaotix says he cannot be recruited because he is a god. Here, as the neutral-town aligned goddess decides to try to change the vote away, afterall, my biggest threat is the night killer, what is the best weapon against trying to find and stop them? A roleblocker. So this bought Chaotix a few rounds.

In the night, I looked at who is alive and saw Riedquat. He seemed a nice, lively freshly faced chap, I decide he is good enough to go between my bed sheets for a quickie.

Night Eleven - Riedquat - Recruitment Success

It is coming to the situation where the cult is almost 50/50 controlling the vote. With a few key deaths such as Death is Yonder, I decide to go for classical hero, he seemed some one active enough to follow. But what is interesting, Classical decides to role-claim, saying he is a goddess, thus he is immune and all this sorts. Now I am thinking "oh crud.. another one... one of them must be the mafia surely.."

Night Twelve - Classical Hero - Recruitment Success

"The Last Days also gets night killed" - CHAOTIX IS THE MAFIA CHAOTIX IS THE MAFIA CHAOTIX IS THE MAFIA also on this note, the cult owns 6 of the 10 votes, ie: we control the round. Anyway, now to put my great logic to use and get defeating Chaotix!

I obviously get assaulted by Earthling and a couple of others, who now I think is either a scum partner or a mistaken pro-town, but either way, I know better than you, Earthling! Chaotix going to die! Whether you beg or plead different! Mwahahahahahaha

Everyone votes for Chaotix except for Glyphz. Great, he is probably a scum buddy or similar. Chaotix died and yes, he was Hades.

The game doesn't end. "Hmmm....." So I send 'khaan a pm trying to fish for information.

My second ability allows me to sacrifice my followers and I gain their strength to survive a night attack.

Do I get to pick which follower dies?
Is there a way I know they are still my follower so it works?

'khaan replies:

You can sacrifice one follower of your choice, so yes, you get to pick. As for "knowing" that they are still your follower, with absolute 110% certainty? Technically, no. But, if you recruited them and there has been no other action by another faction to 'recruit' them, then they would still be your follower.

With the Andres situation, I got suspicious. But anyway, after basically revealing myself to the Cult and to the entire town in getting Chaotix lynched, I decide to test out the ability. Major Robert Dump said he would prefer to get killed since he doesn't know what is going on, so I offered to use the ability on him and he agreed to it.

Night Thirteen - Major Robert Dump - Sacrificed

The round was Glyphz, but it was around this point I realised "Angra Mainyu isn't part of the game, is he?" as I re-read the line about "If you could perhaps single him out, make him alone, strip him of his followers and support, you could have victory." I decided "I might have to kill the town then as well, or there might be an infiltrator." Either way, I spoke to the cult about the current plan, that is to kill all the town then I will try searching within the cult. I decide I will search within the cult anyway to be on the safe side and since classical_hero was a goddess...

Night Fourteen - Classical Hero - Sacrificed

So I am ending up asking about 'khaan about my victory condition since it said 'strip him of all support', the vote is going to be on Warman and we know it was a wasted lynch, it was better Warman than anyone else at least, 'khaan replies:

Your victory conditions are to be the only one left- therefore the cultists must die.

What the heck?! Luckily I had already planted a seed of a infiltrator which was still a very real possibility, but at least I know there was a chance the only reason the game hasn't ended is because I needed to kill absolutely everyone. I am left with Captain Blackadder, Johnhughthom and Riedquat. Not the best bunch to have around at this point, especially when Earthling and friends are spamming the thread with "LYNCH ISHTAR" "LYNCH BESKAR" and what not.

Captain Blackadder was the most unreliable. He would be prone to following one of the other two in voting for me, or he might even get wogged, making the game hang in a draw. So I decide to make him my choice.

Night Fifteen - Captain Blackadder - Sacrificed

I needed a plan and a desperate one at that, I just got told I had to kill them all! I spoke to Johnhughthom, he seemed supportive of me, great, but he is most likely the one to turn on me. Riedquat is new, he might be easily impressionable. I decide to use the favoritism card. "Hey Riedquat, I am going to take the risk and trust you, I think it might be John, he has been around the longest and Andres would have known about him." This is all true and valid, but hey, I work with the truth, it is how I roll.

What does Riedquat do to respond? He goes and tells johnhughthom!

The ball is rolling, Riedquat just outed my easy-win scheme, I need to think fast on my feet. John: "You are trying to betray me aren't you?", Me: "Being honest, I was simply saying the truth, I thought I would do it to fish information out of Riedquat". John knows I pull these stunts, John: "It's you, so I would buy into that", perfect, I might be able to keep John neutral, but John is getting more and more susipicious. Now it is to "reveal everything", strategy, plans and all, even explain my reasoning for lynching off Captain Blackadder, because town or mafia, he was a reliability. Riedquat isn't giving up, he is going to take me down and John working aside him, he is going to do it, oh my, he is on my heels, he is going to get me...

Riedquat: Vote: Johnhughthom

WHAT?!? ..... it's a trap! He is getting me to vote for John to catch me out, they did it together to trick me! Haha, I am the Almighty Beskar, do you think I will simply drink from the Wine In Front Of Me? I play to outmaneuver Riedquat, I message John.

Me: What the... I was 100% positive he was going to vote for me"
John:"I was going to vote for you, I rather lose to a new guy than you, Beskie, but now I am not too sure"

Yes! Riedquat made his first mistake! Then here comes the second mistake after both me and John ask him in the quicktopic why he voted for John.
Riedquat:I'm not returning to the quicktopic, there is no point.

DING DING DING! He just completely whisked me straight out of the jaws of defeat. This really upsets John, I simply play my part, and with Riedquat making the situation worse and worse with various slip-ups, I simply glide towards the finish line...

Riedquat lynched.

Then I message 'khaan to sacrifice John.

The End.


Here are the quicktopics:
First quicktopic - http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/7wxUuicq7dEDS
Second quicktopic - http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/8K9X8M54ZzaUd

[Diamondeye]

Awesome ending! Thanks for the game, Khaan. It really was exciting :) Glad Beskar got vindication from our loss last game...

[Death is yonder]

Hmmph, my role was a lie!

Great job to Beskar, congrats on the solo victory, and especially well played on the last round

And thanks to 'khaan for hosting, I enjoyed the narrative style!

I eat my words though:

So what you're saying is that 'khaan is a merciless bloodthirsty game host who takes a manic delight in the confused plight of the recruited cult members whose true goals are actually to lynch the person who recruited them into a false brainwashing cult that actually doesn't involve them at all despite whatever their role had said and is purely designed to confuse them and to make life difficult?

[Major Robert Dump]

edited, didnt catch beskars post, now I see

[TheLastDays]

I win! I mean not gameplay mechanic wise but I was right, suckers!

I was right about GE, right about Believer (although we don't know what exactly his goal was yet) and I was definitely right about Ishtar. Serves you cultists well for not listening to reason and john... I'm really disappointed

[Arjos]

TLD, you ridiculously suspicious townie! ^^

[TheLastDays]

TLD, you ridiculously suspicious townie! ^^

Honestly I was surprised by how many near-lynches I was able to avoid this game. What can I say? I'm just ridiculously suspicious xD

[Askthepizzaguy]

I played specifically to help Beskar win last man standing even if it meant my loss.

But, I left hints for you to figure it out yourselves. Especially the part about original win conditions.

I wanted to see Beskar kick butt, but I also wanted someone brilliant who was still alive to solve the game. I was rooting for either outcome. But the dead were the ones to solve it correctly, and the living allowed themselves to be eaten.

[Renata]

Good job, Beskar, even if I still can't believe you got away with it. Yikes.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

NO, ANOTHER LOSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :LAUGH:

[Riedquat]

Awesome game! Thanks Khaan for hosting! And thanks johnhughthom for stalking me with invitations!

And obviously a great congratz to Beskar, a wonderful performance!

I needed a plan and a desperate one at that, I just got told I had to kill them all! I spoke to Johnhughthom, he seemed supportive of me, great, but he is most likely the one to turn on me. Riedquat is new, he might be easily impressionable. I decide to use the favoritism card. "Hey Riedquat, I am going to take the risk and trust you, I think it might be John, he has been around the longest and Andres would have known about him." This is all true and valid, but hey, I work with the truth, it is how I roll.

What does Riedquat do to respond? He goes and tells johnhughthom!

Easily impressionable?
Well, the favouritism card wasn't going to work, not after I got john's pm the night you sacrificed Captain B. john made my paranoia go beyond limits, your pm only made it exit the scale... I learned a couple of things, never ever listen to the dead again, no matter what affiliation they had when they were breathing...

But, I have two questions, how come TLD hadn't a role? That is not possible! And... umm... how to say this... where is my chariot?

[Secura]

Congratulations Beskie!

The last man standing victory is very impressive, though I stand by what I said regarding the Chaotix lynch... awesome as your arguments were, they did seem less impressive when I was informed that the majority of remaining players were under your thrall. :P

Yuanshi Tianzun- Renata
Nemesis- TheFluffyOne
Hades- Chaotix
Ereshkigal- White eyes

I think there's a certain irony in this post from JHT now; I lead the lynches against Renata and White_Eyes:D following active scan results (and some behavioural observations) against them both, and I voted for Fluffy early on after we found him to be active at night... I'd guess that sorta 'accuracy' might be why Hades killed me in the end, since my tracking ability didn't seem like a big threat in a game of power roles (which TLD had lead me to believe based on previous games) or that I might have had access to a TIN (which I didn't, no living player had my information but me IIRC, though I had briefly spoken to Earthling via PM).

I figured just me, traitorix, and Romanic who had the ability and not Secura wasn't enough but we really didn't have much after all.

Both Romanic and myself had the ability to track; on N1, I believed it was a shared ability and didn't send orders under the assumption that Romanic had done so (and he had, having chosen to track classical_hero), only for 'khaan to clarify that both of us could act at night. From there onwards, I submitted orders.

As for TLD, I knew he was innocent all along!

He was paying attention to the game moreso than any other living player, having posted twice as much as the next person (Fluffy :P); this, and his keen analytical mind that I knew would be vital in hunting the scum down, led me to decide to push him forward as lynchbait, therefore giving him more time to nail those last mafia and get the win for the town... or at least, that was the plan until Hades killed him too. xD

[Renata]

This just all the more goes to show that I cannot play mafia roles around here. I get metagamed to death. I know I was no great shakes in this game performance-wise (missing much of the beginning of a game tends to throw me really really badly when I am mafia), but it doesn't seem to matter much, regardless.

And our best weapon against the town (Fluffy, who could have taken on a roleblock intended for one of us and thus made it seem we couldn't have been doing a particular killing) was the first to die, and early at that. And Believer sabotaged my investigations, and there was a town duplicate of my role anyway.

I'm still really bummed about this game even if the ending was amusing.

[classical_hero]

One thing I dont understand is the PM I got when I was recruited, since it said I could win with the town and with cult, and since Ishtar was the cult leader, then the PM was wrong and that was from the host, so I would like an explanation, of that PM. I don't have, since I deleted it since I need space for Capo.

[Riedquat]

One thing I dont understand is the PM I got when I was recruited, since it said I could win with the town and with cult, and since Ishtar was the cult leader, then the PM was wrong and that was from the host, so I would like an explanation, of that PM. I don't have, since I deleted it since I need space for Capo.

Something like this?

Greetings,

Last night, the enchanting Goddess Ishtar offered you her blessing. In a haze, you promised yourself to her cult. You may now claim victory through the cult of Ishtar, as well as through your original victory conditions. It will be up to Ishtar herself if she wishes to reveal her "true identity". You may converse with her here. You do not have any new abilities.

Any questions, feel free to ask.


'Khaan

That was our twisted host giving us the option to vote against Ishtar but not telling us we will be doomed if not.

[TheLastDays]

This or you have acually "won" the game through Beskar's victory.

[Beskar]

This or you have acually "won" the game through Beskar's victory.

They have won the game through my victory, I believe it means. Also the original victory conditions were:

Greetings. This is a mass PM to inform you all that the game shall be starting within the hour. As well, if you have not received a role pm yet, this means you are a regular townsperson in the service of Angra Mainyu. Victory will be had by defeating all hostile forces to Mainyu.

Good luck to you all!

As you can see, I wasn't hostile to Angra Mainyu, I was making babies with him, as I originally said, as his consort and queen. So officially, both the Cult and Town won through me, they are just dead.

So yes, in a way, the town has won and so has the cultists, but I claim the first place prize.

[classical_hero]

Well since this was a cult, the normal thing is that you win if the leader is still alive, so really that is a deceptive PM and basically is not they way how a cult works in Mafia.

[Ironside]

Congratulations Beskar.

Impressive ending.

[Chaotix]

Hat's off to Beskar.

He caught me completely by surprise for sure, and outmaneuvered me spectacularly. I actually never once believed he was Ishtar, always thinking it was johnhughthom. Lesson learned: when debating whether or not to kill Beskar, kill Beskar.

I totally underestimated the cult in general in this game. And by the time I tried getting the town to lynch them, they were already too numerous

Anyway, here's the mafia quicktopic. After all of my teammates died, it pretty much turned into a repository of my thoughts- I thought it might be interesting to read into what I was thinking as I made my actions after the game was over. Basically similar to what Beskar has in the thread.

Joint Mafia Quicktopic
Netherworld Mafia Quicktopic [quickly abandoned]

I'm not sure if Renata and Fluffy ever made their own private QT. Basically the dynamic of our roles was that we knew each other, could work together, but were allowed to betray each other in the end for total victory as well. So had I made it to the end, the victory would have been only mine and white_eyes, not for them. Even though the three of them got lynched early on, before that time we had luckily figured out there was plenty of reason to stick together for the majority of the game.

[Chaotix]

They have won the game through my victory, I believe it means. Also the original victory conditions were:



As you can see, I wasn't hostile to Angra Mainyu, I was making babies with him, as I originally said, as his consort and queen. So officially, both the Cult and Town won through me, they are just dead.

So yes, in a way, the town has won and so has the cultists, but I claim the first place prize.

Nah. I got that role PM too. Don't think the town would have won if I killed them all.

You a serial killah, brah. Embrace it.

[White_eyes:D]

Chaotix I was paranoid and wrong some the time but I just had to laugh when I saw this...

I think all of you are being far too paranoid. If Romanic or yaropolk or diamondeye or anyone had really scanned us within the first two nights, they would have had someone claim and get us lynched.

[Andres]

Congratulations, Beskar

And thanks for hosting, 'khaan

[Renata]

Chaotix I was paranoid and wrong some the time but I just had to laugh when I saw this...

And I was right that Romanic was far too smug, he only gets that way when he has something good up his sleeve.

[Zack]

I told you I was townie! *smug*

[TheLastDays]

I told them too! ^^

[Choxorn]

Night Five - johnhughthom - Recruitment Success

Wait... john did the vote switch that ultimately killed ATPG while he was still a basic townie?

[White_eyes:D]

Wait... john did the vote switch that ultimately killed ATPG while he was still a basic townie?

If it's any consolation, john just killed himself and helped achieve one of the biggest townie losses since "The Prometheus" with Reenk, ATPG and Khaan as mafia.

Edit: I mean town had it in the bag, up until Chaotix wiped out the Pro-towns....then you guys just kept killing yourself's Parasite style.