Capo di Tutti Capi IV [Concluded]

[Renata]

At least your hotmail account isn't mocking you.

[robbiecon]

I understand that you've been doing a lot ATPG, both in RL, and behind the scenes for this game. So not posting the message may be just one of the many things you intended to do, but just didn't get around to. Nonetheless I wished to make the full e-mail public for all to see, as it's unfair that only those who have contact details were able to see it.

I'm not accusing you. I'm not even accusing MRD, because, as you've pointed out, criminal does not mean mafia, it may mean a number of things, and that townies have a possibility of scanning as criminal too. I just want everyone to be on a level playing field with relation to this. They mightn't understand why you posted it with evident frustration. They might even interpret that to make you the next lynch target.

[Askthepizzaguy]

At least your hotmail account isn't mocking you.

No, but my yahoo mail account with... 18,681 messages in it is mocking me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm not accusing you. I'm not even accusing MRD, because, as you've pointed out, criminal does not mean mafia, it may mean a number of things, and that townies have a possibility of scanning as criminal too. I just want everyone to be on a level playing field with relation to this. They mightn't understand why you posted it with evident frustration. They might even interpret that to make you the next lynch target.

I posted it with frustration because I wasn't even informed I was being shut out until one of the contacts, Lazy McCrow, sent me the message stating I had been.

I do more for this town, I deserve to be notified if I'm being terminated. I deserve that much. I also deserve the right to make a mistake once.

[Major Robert Dump]

Why did the job fall onto ATPG to post the dispatch. Why could none of the other 2 dozen people who recieved it be bothered to post it? OMG DOES THAT MEAN EVERYONE ON THE DISTRO LIST IS NOT A FRIEND OF TEH TOWN??? Good thing I'm not on the distro.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why did the job fall onto ATPG to post the dispatch. Why could none of the other 2 dozen people who recieved it be bothered to post it? OMG DOES THAT MEAN EVERYONE ON THE DISTRO LIST IS NOT A FRIEND OF TEH TOWN??? Good thing I'm not on the distro.

I was simply the first to post it after Lazy showed me the mass message.

It was my duty. A duty I would have done if I had only remembered to do so. You know, like smokinggunman's message. I remembered his because he sent me a reminder.

Smoking gun man, could you maybe let them know that I did indeed forget to post your message too, but I did when you sent the reminder?


Stupid feeble human brain! Won't do what I want it to.

[TinCow]

MRD, why are you acting so crazy over a simple criminal result?

[Major Robert Dump]

I just don't understand why the douche cops threw you under the bus if there were others who got the message and could have posted it as well. Yeah, yeah, I know you are the DJ and all, but my point still stands. They really cut your head off, you'd think you blew up a donut shop or something. Just like the fuzz, going after Joe Regular while Joe Raped My Wife runs free.

And even though their message was not 100% public, it was public enough. Whats totally funny about all the early pro town networks is that were I a mafioso, I would be joining pro town networks to intentionally make protections fail. Do the cops actually think that by releasing that dispatch to the *secret brotherhood* that they were not revealing the info to mafia? Thats naieve. What they were doing, hoiwever, was witholding pertinent info from the rest of the town by doing so, the same thing they accuse ATPG of doing. Pot, meet kettle, then STFU

[Major Robert Dump]

MRD, why are you acting so crazy over a simple criminal result?

#1. Because it was first released to a secret network so I could not defend myself

#2. Unfairly attacked ATPG in the same secret network

#3. Withholds info from the town

#4. When do I not act like this? Don't mess with me, I will fight a cow.

[robbiecon]

To my knowledge, ATPG was the only one sent the original message.

[Askthepizzaguy]

MRD, why are you acting so crazy over a simple criminal result?

If you had a past history of being a juvenile who robs liquor stores wearing ladies' undergarments, you'd freak out over it being made public too.

[LazyMcCrow]

To my knowledge, ATPG was the only one sent the original message.

I'd be half tempted to bet my weight in chocolate cake that ATPG was the one who wrote the original message too

[TinCow]

#1. Because it was first released to a secret network so I could not defend myself

Why do you need to defend yourself? What have you been accused of?

[Major Robert Dump]

Yes, but the second message which conveyed how horrible a person ATPG was got sent only to the Secret Brotherhood, in which both he and I were incriminated.

What, were the cops supposed to put down their donuts and Hustlers and post themselves, letting all know they are cops? Of course not. And we can't use anonymous accounts. I refer you to Robbiecon. See, he posted the message like a right proper go-getter.

I can think of about 80 people putting less effort into this game than ATPG.

Please investigate me again tonight and you will see that I will be inactive. FYI cops, I will be sleeping spread eagle on my couch wearing nothing but a beanie, and I haven't mown the lawn in 4 years, if you catch my drift. Enjoy the view.

**cue bus driver and fixer to sabotage me**

[TinCow]

Please investigate me again tonight and you will see that I will be inactive. FYI cops, I will be sleeping spread eagle on my couch wearing nothing but a beanie, and I haven't mown the lawn in 4 years, if you catch my drift. Enjoy the view.

Oh, so you're a Luca then.

[Major Robert Dump]

Why do you need to defend yourself? What have you been accused of?

Of being a criminal.

Look people, those things stay on our records for 10 years, alright?

ARE WE LIVING IN THE 50s OR THE 1920s? IT WAS A FRAT PARTY, OK? I DID NOT BRING THE GOAT OR THE POUNDCAKE, AND IT WAS A FEMALE GOAT CUZ I AIN'T NO FREAK. I'M NOT A JAZZ SINGER TRYING TO MAKE YOUR WHITE DAUGHTER TAKE THE REEFER AND PUT MY THANG IN HER THANG, ALRIGHT?

[Diamondeye]

The write up shows 3 cars arriving and a fourth arrive "late"

I read this as the fourth speeding up to cover for the absence of the "planned" fifth. That means one person of the group was missing. I don't see the case on Seon.

I ordered the attack on myself!!!


Sheesh, it's the single most obvious move in this game. Make doctors AND protect me at the same time while accounting for another 6-7 people.

PS: Folks voting for me have no idea how silly they look to me.

Mirroring this... Obvious move is obvious.

Also, the willingness to risk his own life for this benefit should give ATPG some credit. I doubt a mafia would do it.

Another thing... now that GH got elected and everything.
Where do whores go?

I am also waiting for the answer. So far, my best bet is "in Soviet Russia, whores go to you". But I might be messing up my genres here.

[Secura]

And now I have to look like a fool, though I can understand the mistake given the high volume of orders that Seamus has to process.

Basically, the host has explained that he made a mistake in the writeup and order-reading, and that Seon was present and received full credit for doing so. Only one person failed to attend, whom I believe may have simply sent their orders too late.

[Renata]

Of being a criminal.

Yeah, and? So is a significant proportion of the town. I gotta agree with TinCow that you are being just a little bit defensive here.

[GamezRule]

Umm, doesn't half the town scan as criminal?

[Subotan]

you are again very selective in what you show to our beloved audience.

I showed the excerpt of the Skype conversation to demonstrate that we had been in contact - the fact that it also showed that you failed to deny PMing me to see if I was your hub is a bonus. Showing any more was unnecessary and would have caused eyes to glaze over.

Idont see how you have any evidence and you have already admitted that youve tampered with the pms.

I did not change anything you said. I removed one thing from my conversation (which you conveniently forgot to put back in as you knew it would incriminate you), as I do not wish it to be public knowledge. The Director already knows of it, and I am happy to share it with anyone who PMs me. In contrast, you changed substantial amounts of the conversation we had via PMs; this is demonstrable by the fact that so much has been removed from your account that my attempt to force information out of you is unjustified and irrational. We both agree that I say "Alright, that's enough information to get you lynched"; can you show us what information you think that is from your account - or have you removed it?

on top of that you are lying about the date of our conversation which youve forgotten to change in our skype convo.

I haven't changed any dates. As you yourself said; you replied to my initial accusation with a "Haha" - you then waited several days before saying

"If we can talk through some sort of messenger then I will tell you what you want to hear."

1) you support a fake reveal by ACIN and lie about the date of our conversation

False. I shared your role with ACIN, and he deliberately lied so as to make it look like I'd kept my promise to you.

) you add and take stuff out of our pm conversation, which you admit to

False. As I said, I removed one sentence of mine.

and you are selective in showing other socalled evidence because i did deny that i was third party only you dont show that in the part of our skype convo u revealed.

I showed the very beginning of the conversation. There is some attempt at backpedalling later on in the conversation, which amounts to a "NO U", but no explicit denials. Again, I am happy to share this if asked.

3) you have obviously been planning this in advance with ACIN since his fake reveal has come some days ago.

I shared with ACIN after you failed to answer any of my questions; I was planning on revealing you this phase but then you PMed me asking to talk over Skype.

I wonder what you wouldve done if i didnt contact you about ptgroups...[Sic] would you have pinned it on someone else to save ACIN?

You'll have to ask ACIN whether he was planning on making something anyway if I hadn't contacted him

also funny to note:

[15/09/2011 21:19:41] Subotan: Besides, if I was a scum trying to prove my innocence, I would be all over the thread now screaming that you were some scum of kind

and what does he do a few hours later XD

My hand was forced by ACIN's reveal.

HAH i actually have a real alibi for this lie. I was playing age of empires at exactly that time.

I think the phrase "Alt+Tab" is enough to quash this particular excuse.

Being neutral is being protown and promafia.

Nope. He's third party, opposed to both.

Subotan using 'we'? ... history dictates scummy.

There's an old saying in Tennessee...

[The Stranger]

I showed the excerpt of the Skype conversation to demonstrate that we had been in contact - the fact that it also showed that you failed to deny PMing me to see if I was your hub is a bonus. Showing any more was unnecessary and would have caused eyes to glaze over.

but you deliberatly chose not to show the part in which i denied being 3rd party.

[15-9-2011 22:24:06] Ant: Well that's the fun of mafia, is it not?
[15-9-2011 22:24:09] Ant: Tell you what
[15-9-2011 22:24:14] Ant: I'll give you an alibi tonight as well
[15-9-2011 22:24:24] Ant: I'm setting up a protection group tonight, as I have nothing else to do
[15-9-2011 22:24:26] Ant: You in?
[15-9-2011 22:24:37] Umeu Bartelds: i dont need alibis im not guilty of anything but i might be in
[15-9-2011 22:24:40] Umeu Bartelds: who are you defending?

and
[15-9-2011 22:26:00] Umeu Bartelds: how could i trust you
[15-9-2011 22:27:46] Ant: Do you have any other choice?
[15-9-2011 22:28:04] Ant: You petitoned me, to see if I was a third party don of some kind
[15-9-2011 22:28:14] Umeu Bartelds: no not at all
[15-9-2011 22:28:25] Ant: So what happened then?
[15-9-2011 22:28:28] Umeu Bartelds: i was wondering
[15-9-2011 22:28:36] Umeu Bartelds: why you made such weird remaks
[15-9-2011 22:28:37] Umeu Bartelds: thats all
[15-9-2011 22:29:06] Umeu Bartelds: surely mafia knows their ranks and if not they are enemies
[15-9-2011 22:29:10] Umeu Bartelds: and wouldnt try to link up

no explicit denials but since i wasnt sure of what i was accused i wasnt sure what i had to deny... your entire atittude seemed fishy and i didnt want to walk into a trap which i did eventually... seen the situation i am in.

I did not change anything you said. I removed one thing from my conversation (which you conveniently forgot to put back in as you knew it would incriminate you), as I do not wish it to be public knowledge. The Director already knows of it, and I am happy to share it with anyone who PMs me. In contrast, you changed substantial amounts of the conversation we had via PMs; this is demonstrable by the fact that so much has been removed from your account that my attempt to force information out of you is unjustified and irrational. We both agree that I say "Alright, that's enough information to get you lynched"; can you show us what information you think that is from your account - or have you removed it?

i dont know that is why i was interested in what you had to say. i do know that you have tampered with our conversation and that ive posted it as it was. afaik you didnt promise me anything as well...

I haven't changed any dates. As you yourself said; you replied to my initial accusation with a "Haha" - you then waited several days before saying

"If we can talk through some sort of messenger then I will tell you what you want to hear."

you have clearly changed dates. you say my first pm to you was sent at day 1 on 23.42 when i was playing age of empires 3. i have eloborately and effectively proven that i was in a game and you have chosen to ignore that entire thing. what do you have to say this?

False. I shared your role with ACIN, and he deliberately lied so as to make it look like I'd kept my promise to you.

i dont know any of this or what this is about. i havent had any contact with acin and this story doesnt add up to what acin said., but please reveal that role if you have it.

I shared with ACIN after you failed to answer any of my questions; I was planning on revealing you this phase but then you PMed me asking to talk over Skype.

here you make a mistake again. you share with acin after our skypeconvo of which we both agree was held on the 15th and not on the 12th. but acins reveal was already on the 14th on the exact time of 09-14-11 09:09 which was before our skype convo. so how could he know of my role if you hadnt told him yet?

however it is clear that ACIN atleast is talking about the same reveal since he says in his 2nd reveal on 09-16-11 02:50

Ugh, whatever. I lied, it wasn't a mafia person. It is a third party role. He is all by himself with his role and I didn't want to ruin it for him. I only said mafia because I wanted the attention.

The Stranger is a third party role that is anti-town and I got confirmation of it from Subotan who got a PM from him asking if he was "the hub" that he needed to join up with for his role. The role is similar to the two lovers role that appeared in ATPG 2.

Have your free kill. Sorry Stranger, I done messed up. I should have kept my mouth shut about the mix up, but there will be other games.

he says he lied, it wasnt mafia it was me as a 3rd party role. but he couldnt have know that at the 14th since we hadnt had our skype convo and you hadnt contacted ACIN yet...

I think the phrase "Alt+Tab" is enough to quash this particular excuse.

this is a very weak way to cover your lie. but ill respond to it anyway. firstly age of empires 3 is played online and is a very micro and macro intensive game. you cant simply alt tab, and send a message on this forum, starting up the browser, looking up who to target, and ofcourse i would already have decided to target you for this pm, (which is still beyond me, why would i pm you out of the blue with a question that would give away my role if posed to the wrong person. it doesnt make sense.) anyway all this would take atleast 2-3 minutes if not more while the data on that site clearly shows i havent been idle for 2-3 minutes nor is there such an significant amount of time between the games i played at that time and the game before to cover for 2-3 minutes of idle time. you are blatantly lying about the time of me first contacting you which wasnt untill yesterday afternoon. the question is why are you doing this?

if you look at my aoe3 game history of that day you can see im playing multiple games in a row quickly after one another. if you look at my .org posting history of that day youll see low activity on that day and none during that specific time. it just seems odd that i would suddenly, in the middle of a game alt tab to send you an odd pm about protection groups which could also wait to be sent when im done with the game.

Nope. He's third party, opposed to both.

you are quite sure of this but you have no proof except from pms you have tampered with and a skype convo in which i was already alerted to your weird behaviour.

but here you suddenly claim that you have seen my role.

False. I shared your role with ACIN, and he deliberately lied so as to make it look like I'd kept my promise to you.

and also ACIN talks as if hes seen my role

The Stranger is a third party role that is anti-town and I got confirmation of it from Subotan who got a PM from him asking if he was "the hub" that he needed to join up with for his role. The role is similar to the two lovers role that appeared in ATPG 2.

when did i give this to you? can you reveal it in the thread plz?

[Cahoma]

This is all very confusing...

[classical_hero]

I am also waiting for the answer. So far, my best bet is "in Soviet Russia, whores go to you". But I might be messing up my genres here.

No spamming, please.

[El Barto]

Vote: Earthling

case is more compelling.

In spite of everything else that was posted?

You're next, Bart.

If you have any opposition to successful attempts to create doctors, that makes you a scumbag.

I had orders sent in my name for both a protection group and a vig group, thanks to your friend Xenoneb. Ask him.

I don't even want to see that message. It's making me so upset.

All I can see is my name over and over again, mocking me.


Serves me right, though. I did ask for this, didn't I?

Hey look, I still have 45 minutes to sleep before work.

At least your hotmail account isn't mocking you.

No, but my yahoo mail account with... 18,681 messages in it is mocking me.

seriously, Pizza, you just could unburden yourself a bit and share the load around a few people whom you can trust. Unless you're a Serial Killer machinating for world domination, that is.

Umm, doesn't half the town scan as criminal?

Probably.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'm happy about the Earthling lynch even though it seems like he was in a protection group. That doesn't actually make him innocent (although it rules out a bunch of possibilities) and he was to eager to get a case going on anyone else he could.

Looks like the Seon thing has been resolved?

The stranger vs Subo is confusing, because the "real" pm conversation that TS posted seems clearly fake, but subo may have been lying about the time thing if TS's computer game excuse holds up.

[Subotan]

no explicit denials but since i wasnt sure of what i was accused i wasnt sure what i had to deny... your entire atittude seemed fishy and i didnt want to walk into a trap which i did eventually... seen the situation i am in.

Utter rubbish. I was very clear, since you had been very clear to me.

i dont know that is why i was interested in what you had to say. i do know that you have tampered with our conversation and that ive posted it as it was. afaik you didnt promise me anything as well...

Let's assume that your version is totally correct (As you say it is), and look at it from my perspective; what did you say in your version of the conversation that made me think I could blackmail you? Given that we all know that I tried to do so, there must have been something - to argue otherwise is to say that I behaved comp. So, the initial premise we assumed is flawed; that your version is the correct one. You are lying, and this is plain to see.

you have clearly changed dates. you say my first pm to you was sent at day 1 on 23.42 when i was playing age of empires 3. i have eloborately and effectively proven that i was in a game and you have chosen to ignore that entire thing. what do you have to say this?

You must have alt+tabbed out of the game or something similar. The specifics are irrelevant - what matters is that you have been shown to be a third party force that should by lynched next round.

i dont know any of this or what this is about. i havent had any contact with acin and this story doesnt add up to what acin said., but please reveal that role if you have it.

here you make a mistake again. you share with acin after our skypeconvo of which we both agree was held on the 15th and not on the 12th. but acins reveal was already on the 14th on the exact time of 09-14-11 09:09 which was before our skype convo. so how could he know of my role if you hadnt told him yet?

however it is clear that ACIN atleast is talking about the same reveal since he says in his 2nd reveal on 09-16-11 02:50

he says he lied, it wasnt mafia it was me as a 3rd party role. but he couldnt have know that at the 14th since we hadnt had our skype convo and you hadnt contacted ACIN yet...

I revealed to him on the 13th after your "Haha" pm, which was a response to my threat.

He made up specific details, as I said, in order to convince you that I hadn't shared your secret with anyone and that I had held up my end of the bargain which I offered you (and which you rejected).

the question is why are you doing this?

The question is most certainly not that. The question is whether you are a scum or not. I have evidence in the form of PM and Skype conversations which argues that you are; you have not provided any valid evidence and/or counter-evidence that shows you are not.

you are quite sure of this but you have no proof except from pms you have tampered with and a skype convo in which i was already alerted to your weird behaviour.

*Sigh*

This is the last time I am repeating myself. I removed one sentence, of my own, from that conversation, and I am happy to reveal it to any who requests me over pm. The Director already knows what that sentence is.

but here you suddenly claim that you have seen my role.

I used intuition. If you are asking me if I am your faction leader, you can't be mafia, as all mafia know their dons. So, you are not mafia, and you would have revealed your role by now if you were town - ergo, you are third party.

and also ACIN talks as if hes seen my role

Ask him yourself then.

[thefluffyone93]

[The Stranger]

Utter rubbish. I was very clear, since you had been very clear to me.

you didnt make any sense and still do not make sense on that part.

You must have alt+tabbed out of the game or something similar. The specifics are irrelevant - what matters is that you have been shown to be a third party force that should by lynched next round.

no the specifics are very relevant because you lie about the time and exactly the chronology is what the credibility of your story rests on and its clearly not valid.

I revealed to him on the 13th after your "Haha" pm, which was a response to my threat.

bs. prove that i sent it on the 12th. and also show my role because clearly ACIN is stating he has info about my role which i messed up sending to seamus... but this is clearly not the case. why are you covering for ACINs fake reveal?

He made up specific details, as I said, in order to convince you that I hadn't shared your secret with anyone and that I had held up my end of the bargain which I offered you (and which you rejected).

he never needed to convince me because i wasnt talking to him? according to your story i only talked to you, you revealed to acin, acin then revealed in thread through cryptic message but never contacted me. nor do you say that anywhere. the story you tell and the story acin is telling is conflicting.

The question is most certainly not that. The question is whether you are a scum or not. I have evidence in the form of PM and Skype conversations which argues that you are; you have not provided any valid evidence and/or counter-evidence that shows you are not.

i actually have. i have proven that you are lying about the date of me contacting you which is very fishy, because you and acin are trying to make me look to be something im not.

all you have are accusations. there is no real proof and there never will be because im not mafia nor 3rd party role.

I used intuition. If you are asking me if I am your faction leader, you can't be mafia, as all mafia know their dons. So, you are not mafia, and you would have revealed your role by now if you were town - ergo, you are third party.

i have already stated that i am townie. its you who have to show that socalled special info you have on my role that acin claims he has and that you now say he has got from you. but you dont have it because ive never told u anything like that. ive actually not ever told you anything except ask you to form ptgroups.

[Krill]

Can we please have links to all day/night etc posts placed in the first post? Many players do not have the time to look for the updates which get lost in the arguments/discussion/spam