Global Climate Disruption.

**Montmorency** · 09-18-2011, 23:45

Sure - if the reactor operator is trying to keep energy prices at a certain level by curtailing the energy supply...

**a completely inoffensive name** · 09-18-2011, 23:54

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

That's a good troll there ACIN, have +1 Internets.

Except:

I don't "love Freedom" and I'm more than happy for the Population of England to drop by 1/3 and to outlaw carrier bags and plastic cups.

You're also not entirely correct about us consuming more, because the developing world produce a lot of the stuff we throw away, and in any case consumerism is a way to prop up out economies so that we can generate wealth faster than the more populous developing world (that chicken has, of course, not come home to roost).

How would you like the population to decline by 1/3? My underlying point was that any attempt at reducing population is worse than simply forcing people to buy more efficient appliances.

They produce a lot, but don't consume anywhere near the same level as we do (except for China which is getting there). I once heard a statistic that the US at one point was using 20-25% of the world's oil even though our population is nowhere near that percentage of the global population.

Originally Posted by Montmorency

Sure - if the reactor operator is trying to keep energy prices at a certain level by curtailing the energy supply...

Well now you have just brought up all the rage I had after seeing, "Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room". Nevertheless, that kind of stuff isn't a given.

**Furunculus** · 09-25-2011, 12:12

"Global warming has become a new religion. We frequently hear about the number of scientists who support it. But the number is not important: only whether they are correct is important. We don't really know what the actual effect on the global temperature is. There are better ways to spend the money."

^ Word! ^

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/env...n-protest.html

**Fragony** · 09-25-2011, 12:42

Originally Posted by Furunculus

^ Word! ^

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/env...n-protest.html

But we do know, last 100 years global temperature rised 0.2 degrees celcius. That's the problem with alarmists, as you can't just decide the earth is warming up, it has to be real otherwise it isn't true. God doesn't exist, and the earth isn't warming up.

'"I am Norwegian, should I really worry about a little bit of warming?" he said. "I am unfortunately becoming an old man. We have heard many similar warnings about the acid rain 30 years ago and the ozone hole 10 years ago or deforestation but the humanity is still around.'

I like him, just wondering why we are all going to die next round, if we do not act right now

**CBR** · 09-26-2011, 05:11

Ivar Giaever has also said

...so I don't claim to know much about the global warming really, but I looked at Google...

But at least he is one of them noble scientists so he knows what he is talking about!

**a completely inoffensive name** · 09-26-2011, 05:41

Acid rain and the ozone problem were both solved by governments taking action in the face of an overwhelming scientific community.

The ozone hole is still there, but is now declining in size, not to be fully repaired until ~2050. This is because of world wide action against CFC's being used. This is all not debatable.

**Fragony** · 09-26-2011, 10:29

Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name

Acid rain and the ozone problem were both solved by governments taking action in the face of an overwhelming scientific community.

The ozone hole is still there, but is now declining in size, not to be fully repaired until ~2050. This is because of world wide action against CFC's being used. This is all not debatable.

Yes it really is