Ahhhh... The sweet, sweet taste of French chauvinism and etnocentrism in the air... What would I ever do without you, Louis?Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
Re: Why what was good for Kosovo is not for Palestine?
Ahhhh... The sweet, sweet taste of French chauvinism and etnocentrism in the air... What would I ever do without you, Louis?
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: Why what was good for Kosovo is not for Palestine?
Well ... raise your hand if you want to move to Algeria. Anybody? Anybody?
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Is the meal complimentary?
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My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
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No but I believe the hotel has a nice selection of free shampoo.
Israel is the USA's most beloved child, while palestine... Isn't. That their activities are uncomfortably familiar to the guys staging attacks on US troops afew thousand miles east of there isn't helping thier public image in the states either. Until that changes I think the "dream of a free palestine" will stay a dream for the next decade or so.
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Re: Why what was good for Kosovo is not for Palestine?
Many reasons. Obama can't afford to say no to Israel, cause that would cost him his head (quite possibly literally). Nobody cares about “poor oppressed Palestinians” in the same manner that Kosovo managed to make the world care about “poor oppressed Kosovars”. Easy really after that UN debacle that was the mid 90's which had painted Serbia into a very dark evil little corner indeed in the public/political consciousness anyway. Lobby, too. By contrast Hamas isn't doing the image of Palestinians a favour and the PLO wasn't very kindly regarded back in the days of Arafat either...
Factions and reality never stood in the way of some big political rhetoric about freedom from either USA or Europe...
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Technically isn't the first object the subject for the entire sentence... so isn't he accidentally stating that France is barbaric...
Our genes maybe in the basement but it does not stop us chosing our point of view from the top.
Pape for global overlord!!
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Well Algerian independence did contribute to help France's protracted descent into barbarism...especially in sensitive urban areas of France...
No sooner had the Algerians kicked France out or they all stood at the docks desperately trying to get into France again.
Still, the main point was one of criticism of the last years of the Fourth Republic. One can lose public support, global support, by engaging in beastliness. This is why Algeria became independent. This is why Kosovo became independent, because Serbia / Serbians engaged in barbarism. This is also why Israel is losing global support now.
States can descent into a spiral of violence, become inward-looking, losing any objective view of how the outside world perceives them, descending into barbarism and violence.
Slightly less dramatically, America too can be added to this list, in the first few years after 9-11. Militaristic, inward-looking, autistic, alienating people, complete with falling into the trap of applying torture. More dramatically, Germany in the 1930s belongs to the list too.
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News: K-FOR shoot rubber bullets, tear gas and some reports suggest live rounds to Serbs protesting against the removal of their barricades. The German Troops involved are putting wires around Serbian Population and this is bad. The last time it was during WW2.
Obviously, Kosovo is not united...
So why Palestine can't be independent?
"Those reasons are the problem, and you will find your explanation in the modern history of Kosovo." I though we were speaking of International Rules that could be applied to every body...
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.
"I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
"You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
"Yeah, lad. But I was holding the metal"
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Brenus, it's all a matter of context.
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Without me who would you sell those videos to of Norwegian girls undressing for gym that you secretly shoot at your school's dressing room?
On topic: If colonialism was a mistake, then (rapid, forced) decolonisation was a disaster.
Theaters were closed. Schools underfunded. Books banned. But prisons and megamosques build.
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