stone forts

**geala** · 09-28-2011, 07:12

I'm not very pleased by this. Minor cities were not very often places which could be defended successfully. On the other hand field fortifications and temporary fortified camps played an important role in many conflicts. Only remember the Pyrrhos campaigns. And I would prefer to be able to build my own border defenses. I played M2:TW mods with permanent castles and I really did not like it, the castles were next to useless.

**Gustave** · 09-28-2011, 11:04

PSFs won't be useless especially if they provide some income. They can be a good way to prevent the player from blitzing the AI's main cities, as well. Also, temporary forts are not very accurate for most factions and are very romano-centric.

**stratigos vasilios** · 09-28-2011, 12:04

Originally Posted by Gustave

PSFs won't be useless especially if they provide some income.

I didn't realise PSFs can provide income, was this originally in m2tw or a new modded in feature?

**bobbin** · 09-28-2011, 13:04

Originally Posted by stratigos vasilios

I didn't realise PSFs can provide income, was this originally in m2tw or a new modded in feature?

No, it's a trick we do with immobile merchants and resources.

**Arjos** · 09-28-2011, 13:17

Wouldn't it end soon as the merchant die?

**stratigos vasilios** · 09-28-2011, 14:23

Originally Posted by Arjos

Wouldn't it end soon as the merchant die?

I'd guess you can either script to respawn a deceased merchant...or script for the merchant reset age when it reaches 100? Who knows.

**bobbin** · 09-28-2011, 23:19

Originally Posted by Arjos

Wouldn't it end soon as the merchant die?

Thats why we will write a script to respawn them when that happens.

Originally Posted by fightermedic

has this already been tested?

Not but is but other mods use similar methods and it works for them.

Originally Posted by B_Ray

Also, if I understood geala's comments correctly, he was concerned about stone forts being too heavily fortified to realistically represent a small settlement during EB's timeframe. But the team can mod how the forts are layed out, so it shouldn't be an issue.

My point was that the settlements that will be represented by PSF's were by no means small, if it wasn't for the settlement limit they would be capitals of proper regions in their own right.

**antisocialmunky** · 09-29-2011, 05:42

Would it be possible to show culture trends in PSF by spawning religious agents at those locations? Would be interesting if occupying a PSF could speed up/slow down conversion. After all, Rome had many issues with controlling places like the Illyrian country side.

**fightermedic** · 09-29-2011, 09:29

Originally Posted by bobbin

Not but is but other mods use similar methods and it works for them.

glad to hear that, looking forward to it very much!

hint: more psf = better :D

**fightermedic** · 09-28-2011, 16:50

Originally Posted by bobbin

No, it's a trick we do with immobile merchants and resources.

has this already been tested?

**B-Wing** · 09-28-2011, 19:11

They can also provide free upkeep to some units, so that's an indirect form of income.

Also, if I understood geala's comments correctly, he was concerned about stone forts being too heavily fortified to realistically represent a small settlement during EB's timeframe. But the team can mod how the forts are layed out, so it shouldn't be an issue.

**bobbin** · 09-28-2011, 11:42

Originally Posted by geala

I'm not very pleased by this. Minor cities were not very often places which could be defended successfully. On the other hand field fortifications and temporary fortified camps played an important role in many conflicts. Only remember the Pyrrhos campaigns. And I would prefer to be able to build my own border defenses. I played M2:TW mods with permanent castles and I really did not like it, the castles were next to useless.

PSFs will represent other cities in the region, this does not necessarily mean they will be minor settlements, in fact in many cases they were bigger than the regional capitals and important places in their own right.